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Did you even bother reading the thread up to this point?

Jesus is the Son, not the Father.

Please pay attention.

If you're going to jump to a different topic, start a new thread.

One which begged the question that the tradition originated with the Apostles, which you have yet to establish, and have only merely asserted. Genesis 17:9-14; Leviticus 12:3; John 7:22-23; Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 7:8, 10:45, 11:2, 15:1; Romans 2:25; Galatians 2:4, 7, 9, 12 (cf Acts 15:1)...

They can be if the tradition is that they originated with the Apostles. That's what's in dispute. Not currently. Yes, we do. It's called Acts. The Apostles taught that you must be circumcized on the 8th day after birth. Paul showed that no, you do not have to be circumcised at any point...

You're responding to Bladerunner. The original question I asked was directed at Keiw1 (whom I have since banned).

I'm going to ignore your terrible grammar for the moment, and focus on the thrust of what you said here. Yes, there are nine total uses of "raqia" in Genesis 1. No, that's a non-sequitur, and is the entire point of contention of the discussion I'm having with Derf. In other words, to say...

Ok. So you basically have conceded half the battle to me with this. My position is that it was in fact the planet earth that was created in verse one, and all the matter that God used to create the other things in the universe. To put it another way, God created matter ("the heavens"), and...

You realize that 1) it was a question 2) directed at a Jehovah's Witness, right? Ya know, the cult that rejects Jesus as God? This is why RD said you have reading comprehension issues.

Reminds me of the "mortally challenged" (demons) from Doom Eternal: It's amazing the parallels between the villains of Doom Eternal, and today's evil leaders.

I'm saying that "the firmament," which is called "Heaven" in verse 8, and talked about in verses 6-10, is NOT the same thing as "the firmament of the heavens" in verses 14, 15, 17, and 20. This is what the Hydroplate Theory is based on. Derf is the one saying that "the firmament" and "the...

You didn't really answer the question, but I appreciate the response. What about the above revised version of Genesis 1 doesn't indicate that there's a structure to the creation? That there isn't a limit to it? What about it doesn't distinguish, but rather, conflates, the two main spatial...

Potential translation: "We're not going to allow people to be safe in a second Trump term."

BETTER YET! Why not just use "the firmament" once, in verse 6, and then since, if what you assert is true, there is only one firmament, use "the firmament of the heavens" the other 8 of 9 times? AND EVEN BETTER! Why not just use ONLY "the firmament," why the need to distinguish "the firmament...

Derf, it seems like you didn't bother to read through what I wrote before responding, like I asked, as you missed at least one direct question that you did not answer, nor did you pay much attention to the images that I posted, because you say some things that make no sense in the context of...

@Derf The real question here, regarding your position, is this: Why did Moses, instead of what is recorded in Genesis 1, not write the chapter this way? In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And...

I don't remember if I had said anything else above this, after the image, so I'll just add this here and be done with it. [begin insert] NO, Derf! He is NOT talking about the trunk of the car! Do you not know what a trunk is?! This is a trunk! They are the reason...... [end insert]

Ugh, it appears I forgot to copy a portion of my response back into the editor here before posting. Let me type up the portion missing. It goes after the image and before the text here:

Derf, this post is REALLY REALLY LONG. So please, read completely through it first before responding. Otherwise you may not get to the crucial points. Again, the firmament, NOT "of the heavens," but the one in the midst of the waters, was called heaven. You can't form something from an...