Reconciled by the cross on this day, Thursday.

Clete · Wednesday at 8:19 PM

Here's similar information presented in a different format....

Passover Traditions and Rituals	Jesus’ Fulfillment During Passion Week (30 AD)
10th of Nisan: Jewish families select a spotless lamb for the Passover (Exodus 12:3).	Sunday, 10th of Nisan: Jesus enters Jerusalem riding a donkey, publicly presenting Himself as the spotless Lamb of God, the true King.
10th through the 13th of Nisan: Lambs are inspected for blemishes over four days.	Sunday to Wednesday, 10th–13th of Nisan: Jesus teaches and is publicly scrutinized daily in the temple, like the lamb under inspection.
13th of Nisan: Preparations for the Passover meal are made; households remove all leaven (Exodus 12:15).	Wednesday evening, 13th of Nisan: Jesus shares the Last Supper with His disciples, institutes the Lord’s Supper and foretells His betrayal. Judas leaves to finalize his betrayal.
14th of Nisan (Preparation Day): The Passover lambs are slaughtered at the 9th hour (about 3 PM), marking the start of Passover; blood is applied to doorposts; families prepare the meal (Exodus 12:6-7).	Thursday, 14th of Nisan: Jesus is crucified at the 9th hour, shedding His blood as the true Passover Lamb. He dies at the 9th hour, just as the lambs were being sacrificed. His body is buried before sunset, fulfilling the requirement that the lamb not remain on the altar overnight
Evening of 14th Nisan: The Passover meal is eaten with unleavened bread and bitter herbs (Exodus 12:8); families commemorate God’s deliverance from Egypt.	Thursday evening, 14th of Nisan: Jesus’ disciples, still unaware of the full significance, observe the Passover meal without Him, remembering His words from the evening before, “This is My body… this is My blood”
15th of Nisan: Feast of Unleavened Bread begins, a high Sabbath day during which no work is done (Leviticus 23:6-7).	Friday, 15th of Nisan (High Sabbath): Jesus’ body rests in the tomb, His body, being free from the leaven of sin sees no decay. This is the first full day of His burial.
16th of Nisan: Regular weekly Sabbath.	Saturday, 16th of Nisan (Weekly Sabbath): Jesus remains at rest in the tomb. This is the second full day of His burial.
Sunday, 17th of Nisan: The priest waves the first sheaf of the barley harvest, the Firstfruits offering (Leviticus 23:10-11).	Early Sunday morning, 17th of Nisan: Jesus rises from the dead before dawn, becoming the Firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep (1 Corinthians 15:20). The tomb is found empty by the women.

P.S. Note the date "30 AD". Some say it was 33 AD but the days of the week do not work for that year. It was definitely 30 AD!

Clete · Wednesday at 8:25 PM

Nick M said:
I believe the chat is incorrect with these specific details. Only Luke (and later Paul) pointed out the meaning was hidden from them. At Pentecost, speaking by the Holy Spirit not one word was uttered about him dying for their sin. Because Jeremiah did not declare it. The 70th week will make reconciliation for the nation. Not for the individuals of course. Peter told them to change their ways be baptised (washed with water, ceremonially) and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit to deal with the 70th week.

You don't think that the Apostles understood that Calvary was a fulfillment of the Passover?

I would agree that it wouldn't have been revealed to them on Pentecost. The risen Jesus Himself revealed it to them....

Luke 24:44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”

I've edited it accordingly.

Bladerunner · Wednesday at 9:54 PM

Right Divider said:
Well... it most certainly wasn't Wendnesday!

pretty reliable sources of April 6, 32AD, a Sunday, the exact day Jesus rode into Jerusalem...Gabriel's prophecy to Daniel left no room for error...

Bladerunner · Wednesday at 10:39 PM

JudgeRightly said:
See my responses here:

Maunday Thursday

Does anyone who is familiar with Maundy Thursday, the day during Holy Week which commemorates the washing of the feet and last supper of the Messiah with the apostles know what part of Thursday that this took place - during the night time at the beginning of Thursday, or during the daytime...

theologyonline.com

Thanks, went back and read many of your thoughts, convictions.

Am aware of the three most followed paths to His crucifixion and resurrection that were discussed. I have studied this to some extent and have come away with the belief that He died on Wednesday....the Friday view is mostly based on the wording of Mark 15:42, which says that Christ's crucifixion occurred on the day of preparation, "the day before the Sabbath". the Thursday view, possible in another year. Yet this would be outside of the prophecy of Daniel 9:26 Jesus by the Word of GOD was at Bethany on Friday evening...He could not leave as the Sabbath was approaching at 6PM. The next day was Sunday (Sat 6PM)with Him riding on that donkey Sunday (Palm Sunday) morning. The time period: Apr 6, 32AD.

Bladerunner · Wednesday at 10:44 PM

Right Divider said:
Well... it most certainly wasn't Wendnesday!

what is your proof for your thoughts on this subject?

JudgeRightly · Wednesday at 11:13 PM

Clete said:
@JudgeRightly,

So, just for the fun of it, I transcribed the audio of that interview into text (using Whisper Web) and fed the text into ChatGPT and had it present a timeline of the Passover week.....

Timeline of the Passion Week: Fulfilling the Passover in Exact Detail

This timeline lays out the biblical events of Jesus' final week—from His entry into Jerusalem to His resurrection—with special attention to how these events fulfill the typology of the Passover. The timing, the language, and the symbolism are strikingly precise. Drawing from biblical texts and insights shared by Bob Enyart and Dr. Grady McMurtry, here is how the Passion Week unfolds:

Sunday, 10th of Nisan
Jesus Enters Jerusalem as the Lamb is Chosen
On this day, Jewish families were instructed to select a lamb without blemish for the Passover sacrifice (Exodus 12:3). Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, publicly presenting Himself as Israel's King and the true Lamb of God. For the next four days, He was in the temple daily, questioned by the Pharisees, Sadducees, scribes, and Herodians—just as the lamb was to be examined for blemishes. After this prolonged scrutiny, and even an actual trial, Pilate declared: "I find no fault in Him" (John 19:4). In fulfillment of the type, the Jews responded by calling for His death, just as the lamb, once declared spotless after four days of scrutiny, was to be slain at the 9th hour on the 14th of Nisan.

Wednesday, 13th of Nisan (Preparation Day)
The Last Supper and Betrayal
Although this was not the Passover meal itself, Jesus gathered with His disciples in the upper room to eat a meal that night, which is traditionally called the Last Supper. During this meal, Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper, explaining that the bread and wine represented His body and blood—offered for many. This was the same night He was betrayed by Judas, arrested in Gethsemane, and put on trial before the Sanhedrin.

Thursday, 14th of Nisan
Crucifixion and Burial Before the High Sabbath
Jesus was taken before Pilate in the early morning. After further interrogation and scourging, He was sentenced to death and crucified by 9:00 a.m. (the third hour). Darkness fell from noon to 3:00 p.m. (the ninth hour), at which time Jesus cried out and died, the very time the Passover lambs were being slain in the temple. His body was laid in a nearby tomb hastily but reverently, before sunset.

That evening, just a few hours after Jesus’ burial, faithful Jews all over Jerusalem—including Jesus’ own disciples—would have sat down to eat the Passover meal. And while they may not have fully grasped what had just happened, how could that meal not have felt different? Their teacher, their Lord, had been killed mere hours earlier. His words from the night before—“This is My body… this is My blood”—would have been ringing in their ears as they handled the unleavened bread and drank the wine. They may not have yet understood that Jesus Himself was the true Passover Lamb, but the memory of His final supper with them would have been vivid, immediate, and impossible to ignore. In hindsight, after the resurrection, they would come to see it all clearly (Luke 24:44-49): the very Lamb of God had been slain, and they had dined with Him the night before His sacrifice and the full meaning of His newly instituted "Lord's Supper" would have become clear. That year, the shadow had finally given way to the substance.

Friday, 15th of Nisan (High Sabbath)
This was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a special “high Sabbath” (John 19:31), regardless of what day of the week it fell on. It also marked the beginning of the barley harvest and the lead-up to the Firstfruits offering. No work could be done, and Jesus’ body rested in the tomb. This was the first full day Jesus lay in the grave.

Saturday, 16th of Nisan (Weekly Sabbath)
The Tomb Remains Sealed

This was the regular weekly Sabbath. Again, no work could be done. Jesus remained in the tomb the entire day. This was the second full day of His burial.

Sunday Morning, 17th of Nisan
The Resurrection: On the Third Day
Very early on Sunday, before dawn, the women came to the tomb and found it empty—Jesus had risen. While some modern readers assume “three days” means a full 72 hours, Jesus said He would rise on the third day, not after three days. He was buried just before sunset on Thursday and rose before sunrise on Sunday, a span of roughly 63 hours—more than two full days, but not a full three. His resurrection occurred exactly as He foretold: "on the third day".

That Sunday also marked the offering of the Firstfruits (Leviticus 23:10–11), when the priest would wave the first sheaf of the barley harvest before the Lord. Jesus, “the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep” (1 Corinthians 15:20), rose on that very day, fulfilling the prophetic type.

P.S. This exercise was a text book example of why you cannot count on Chat GPT to get things right. I spent more than two hours correcting Chat GPT about all sorts of details throughout this timeline. It kept getting the dates wrong and mixing up what happened on Thursday with what happened on Friday and all sort of annoying things like that. I could almost have written it faster on my own! I think I got it all ironed out but if anyone finds an error, let me know and I'll correct it.

One of the hardest things to get across due to how we today count the hours of the day is that the next day starts after sundown, not at midnight.

IOW, what we would consider Wednesday night is, according to the Jewish calendar, the beginning of Thursday.

IOW, Thursday evening isn't at the beginning of the day, but it's the start of the day (a callback to Genesis 1, "there was evening, and there was morning, the first day," etc.). Understanding that is the key to realizing that the Friday crucifixion and the Wednesday crucifixion views could never work.

JudgeRightly · Wednesday at 11:18 PM

Clete said:
P.S. Note the date "30 AD". Some say it was 33 AD but the days of the week do not work for that year. It was definitely 30 AD!

This pretty much affirms a birthdate of 4 B.C. for Jesus.

JudgeRightly · Wednesday at 11:30 PM

Bladerunner said:
I have studied this to some extent and have come away with the belief that He died on Wednesday....the Friday view is mostly based on the wording of Mark 15:42, which says that Christ's crucifixion occurred on the day of preparation, "the day before the Sabbath". the Thursday view, possible in another year. Yet this would be outside of the prophecy of Daniel 9:26 Jesus by the Word of GOD was at Bethany on Friday evening...He could not leave as the Sabbath was approaching at 6PM. The next day was Sunday (Sat 6PM)with Him riding on that donkey Sunday (Palm Sunday) morning. The time period: Apr 6, 32AD.

Wednesday crucifixion (6 pm) doesn't work because he would have to have been in the grave until Sunday (6 am at the latest), which is more than 3 days and three nights, and that contradicts what Jesus Himself said: "three days and three nights." Not four days and three nights. It also doesn't fit with the Jewish feast calendar, which the Thursday crucifixion does, neither in the timing nor with the symbolism.

You either are missing something with the Thursday view, or you're intentionally not letting the Thursday view to persuade you.

Right Divider · Wednesday at 11:35 PM

Bladerunner said:
what is your proof for your thoughts on this subject?

There is no such day of the week named Wendnesday.
Did the smiley not help?

Bladerunner · 2025-05-22T02:13:37-0400

JudgeRightly said:
One of the hardest things to get across due to how we today count the hours of the day is that the next day starts after sundown, not at midnight.

IOW, what we would consider Wednesday night is, according to the Jewish calendar, the beginning of Thursday.

IOW, Thursday evening isn't at the beginning of the day, but it's the start of the day (a callback to Genesis 1, "there was evening, and there was morning, the first day," etc.). Understanding that is the key to realizing that the Friday crucifixion and the Wednesday crucifixion views could never work.

wednesday works just fine with the times you have laid out...in fact, they are better. what year was this..because 32 ad nisan 14th was on Wednesday.....Your chatgpt (I will assume this is all AI) did not take into account other scriptures that place Jesus at Bethany six days before the crucifixion. (John 12:1).."Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, ......" This would have to be a Friday evening beget to Jerusalem. He arrived Sunday Morning on a donkey.. Six days from Friday to Crucifixion would be Wednesday.

JudgeRightly · 2025-05-22T03:35:30-0400

Bladerunner said:
wednesday works just fine with the times you have laid out...

No, it doesn't.

Again: Wednesday crucifixion has Jesus in the tomb for FOUR days, in direct contradiction to how long HE HIMSELF SAID He would be in the tomb.

in fact, they are better.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

what year was this..because 32 ad nisan 14th was on Wednesday.....

AD 30.

Your chatgpt (I will assume this is all AI)

No. It's based on the calendar given in Leviticus 23.

Go listen to the BEL episode I linked to in the other thread. Dr. Grady McMurtry gives ironclad reasoning for why the crucifixion was on Thursday.

did not take into account other scriptures that place Jesus at Bethany six days before the crucifixion. (John 12:1).."Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, ......"

What does that have to do with anything?

He entered Jerusalem on Sunday.

Bethany is at most a 3 hour walk from Jerusalem.

This would have to be a Friday evening beget to Jerusalem.

Huh?

He arrived Sunday Morning on a donkey..

Not in dispute.

Six days from Friday to Crucifixion would be Wednesday.

Six days from Friday (the 8th day of Nisan) is THURSDAY, not Wednesday.

Thursday was Passover, the day Christ was crucified (he was the Passover Lamb). He died around 3pm, and was buried by 6pm. After sundown began "Friday Evening."

Friday was a High Sabbath. After sundown began "Saturday Evening."

Saturday was a regular Sabbath. After sundown began "Sunday Evening."

Sunday, He rose in the morning, before sunrise.

That's three days and three nights.

Thursday 3 pm crucifixion 6 pm burial, in the grave Friday evening, Friday morning, all day Friday, Saturday evening, saturday morning, all day Saturday, Sunday evening, and he rose on the third day, Sunday morning, likely before dawn.

Which means that Wednesday night (actually Thursday evening) was when Jesus ate the last supper with His disciples, went to the garden, was betrayed by Judas, and then tried and beaten, and was crucified after dawn on Thursday.

That gives three days for "inspection for blemishes" as per the Mosaic law, between Sunday and Wednesday.

It just fits.

Clete · 2025-05-22T08:08:43-0400

Bladerunner said:
wednesday works just fine with the times you have laid out...in fact, they are better. what year was this..because 32 ad nisan 14th was on Wednesday.....Your chatgpt (I will assume this is all AI) did not take into account other scriptures that place Jesus at Bethany six days before the crucifixion. (John 12:1).."Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, ......" This would have to be a Friday evening beget to Jerusalem. He arrived Sunday Morning on a donkey.. Six days from Friday to Crucifixion would be Wednesday.

I believed it was Wednesday for decades but the biblical evidence is iron clad. Listen to the interview from which my posts here have been based. There's no question about it. Jesus did, in fact, die on Thursday mid-afternoon just as the whole nation of Israel was killing their Passover lambs.

Clete · 2025-05-22T08:09:16-0400

JudgeRightly said:
This pretty much affirms a birthdate of 4 B.C. for Jesus.

How so?

JudgeRightly · 2025-05-22T11:40:00-0400

Clete said:
How so?

He was 33 years old at the cross.

Meaning more than 33 years had passed since His birth.

30 AD - 33 years = 3 BC, but it had been more than 33 years (less than 34) so the upper limit is 11 extra months, lower limit 4 (crucified in April, but He wasn't born in April), which would put His birthday at 4 BC.

Am I making sense? Or is it just gibberish?

Clete · 2025-05-22T15:56:56-0400

JudgeRightly said:
He was 33 years old at the cross.

Meaning more than 33 years had passed since His birth.

30 AD - 33 years = 3 BC, but it had been more than 33 years (less than 34) so the upper limit is 11 extra months, lower limit 4 (crucified in April, but He wasn't born in April), which would put His birthday at 4 BC.

Am I making sense? Or is it just gibberish?

You're making sense, I just expected you to have a link to another amazing teaching from Bob that nails it down so firmly.

He started His ministry at "about 30 years of age" according to Luke's gospel. Can we firm it up any more than that?

Bladerunner · 2025-05-22T21:39:43-0400

JudgeRightly said:
No, it doesn't.

Again: Wednesday crucifixion has Jesus in the tomb for FOUR days, in direct contradiction to how long HE HIMSELF SAID He would be in the tomb.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

AD 30.

No. It's based on the calendar given in Leviticus 23.

Go listen to the BEL episode I linked to in the other thread. Dr. Grady McMurtry gives ironclad reasoning for why the crucifixion was on Thursday.

What does that have to do with anything?

He entered Jerusalem on Sunday.

Bethany is at most a 3 hour walk from Jerusalem.

Huh?

Not in dispute.

Six days from Friday (the 8th day of Nisan) is THURSDAY, not Wednesday.

Thursday was Passover, the day Christ was crucified (he was the Passover Lamb). He died around 3pm, and was buried by 6pm. After sundown began "Friday Evening."

Friday was a High Sabbath. After sundown began "Saturday Evening."

Saturday was a regular Sabbath. After sundown began "Sunday Evening."

Sunday, He rose in the morning, before sunrise.

That's three days and three nights.

Thursday 3 pm crucifixion 6 pm burial, in the grave Friday evening, Friday morning, all day Friday, Saturday evening, saturday morning, all day Saturday, Sunday evening, and he rose on the third day, Sunday morning, likely before dawn.

Which means that Wednesday night (actually Thursday evening) was when Jesus ate the last supper with His disciples, went to the garden, was betrayed by Judas, and then tried and beaten, and was crucified after dawn on Thursday.

That gives three days for "inspection for blemishes" as per the Mosaic law, between Sunday and Wednesday.

It just fits.

we can simply agree to disagree

Bladerunner · 2025-05-22T21:41:31-0400

Clete said:
I believed it was Wednesday for decades but the biblical evidence is iron clad. Listen to the interview from which my posts here have been based. There's no question about it. Jesus did, in fact, die on Thursday mid-afternoon just as the whole nation of Israel was killing their Passover lambs.

First of all the 30AD is the wrong year... and that alone would have place the 14th of Nisan on Thursday. I have listened to the interview and disagree with it.....

JudgeRightly · 2025-05-22T23:11:45-0400

Bladerunner said:
First of all the 30AD is the wrong year...

Why? Because you say so?

and that alone would have place the 14th of Nisan on Thursday.

Yes. And?

I have listened to the interview and disagree with it.....

So what? Dr. McMurtry gives sound reasoning for the Crucifixion being on Thursday.

What evidence do you have that he's wrong?

The Thursday position fits the Bible.

Yours does not.

That makes yours incorrect, by definition.

You should submit to God's word. Not try to impose your beliefs upon it.

JudgeRightly · 2025-05-22T23:13:49-0400

Clete said:
You're making sense, I just expected you to have a link to another amazing teaching from Bob that nails it down so firmly.

I wish I did.

He started His ministry at "about 30 years of age" according to Luke's gospel. Can we firm it up any more than that?

I don't know yet.

JudgeRightly · 2025-05-22T23:14:51-0400

Bladerunner said:
we can simply agree to disagree

My position is what the Bible says.

Your position is.... Something other than what the Bible says.

I'll stick with what the Bible says.

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