I "liked" your post because you are presenting your arguments (mostly) without the insults. Thanks for your patience.
You're welcome.
No, of course not. But is fallen Israel still joined to Israel?
That is a nonsensical statement.
No, they have been cut off.
From what?
And if they have been cut off of the true Israel, and others have been grafted in (that could also be cut off, Paul says), then we have something that is consistent.
That is not talking about what is going on at the time that Paul said it. Paul is essentially giving a history lessen.
No, they all speak of a man becoming a new creation in Christ, not that Christ has made a new creation for a man to be a member of.
The "new creature in Christ" is the one new man, where there is neither Jew NOR Greek.
This does not exclude others that believed before from being in the same body of Christ, but it shows that Paul's example was to be a pattern for all who hear the gospel through him.
Silly nonsense and that is NOT what the TEXT says. It does NOT SAY "those that hear the gospel through me". It says "to them
which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting".
Stop blaspheming God by perverting His Word.
This only says that following Christ would be just as effective as following Paul.
Still making stuff up by forcing your ideas on the scripture instead of letting scripture speak.
It certainly doesn't suggest that Christ's body was a new creation with Paul. That would be absurd.
No, what you're suggesting is absurd.
Huh? How is this relevant to the discussion?
Because the scripture, AGAIN, does NOT say what you're saying that it says.
You said "Rather Paul confirms that he once persecuted the faith that he now preaches" and it says NO SUCH THING.
What it DOES SAY is that other were saying that and that does NOT make it true.
You are complaining about my use of this:
Galatians 1:23 KJV - ... That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
To say, "Rather Paul confirms that he once persecuted the faith that he now preaches."
Absolutely I am... PAUL said NO SUCH THING.
The elipsis removes the distraction for you. If it were inaccurate hearsay, as you suggest, then Paul would have cleared up the matter.
Paul said nothing about it's accuracy or inaccuracy. Again you PREFER it to mean what you want it to means. You're making a claim that you cannot support.
Paul confirms what you called hearsay,
No, he does NOT. Again, you're inventing things that are not there.
The believers in Jerusalem were of the understanding that Paul was preaching the faith he once persecuted. That tells us that the faith was not new. It was not a new message or a new gospel.
That is, AGAIN, nonsense. There is a reason that Paul calls his gospel MY GOSPEL. If it was not new he has no grounds on which to say such a thing (MY GOSPEL).
No doubt that you also believe that the gospel of the CIRCUMCISION is the same as the gospel of the UNCIRCUMCISION (which is a complete contradiction in terms and explicitly denied by Galatians 2).
