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Excellent example!
I get accused of hostility at the drop of a hat! Totally innocuous posts of purely logical arguments that don't begin to touch anything that could remotely be considered personal in any respect are responded to as if I was screaming mad and calling people Nazi and other N words.
Christian websites, in particular, raise this behavior to the level of psychopathic delusion. I was banned from one sight for posting the following essay that wasn't even addressed to any particular person....
ECT - Is God Moral?
Is God moral? Sounds like a simple enough question. I'm always amazed at the squirming it causes! Please click "Yes" or "No" and then explain your answer. Notice there are only two answers. That's on purpose. Resting in Him, Clete ------------------------------------------ The following was...
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Christians are some of the most irrational, hate filled people, I've ever interacted with. As soon as you say something they don't already believe, in a manner they can't immediately refute, the long knives come out and any excuse they can find to destroy you will be taken advantage of, including any generalized comment that can be made to seem offensive in any conceivable way.
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VladtheDestroyer
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And it always seems to be the ones who are preaching tolerance and automatic forgiveness.
There's no question that they are the worst ones! It's madness!
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The point of your graphic is well taken and survives the following point, however...
There has never been a mature, truly capitalist society. The closest world history has come to it was the first 100 years of America and it was barely out of diapers before the socialists had their hooks deeply embedded.
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I actually dislike the term "Capitalism". I prefer "Free Market".
Sure.
Sure. But that was still a choice made by Pharaoh.
I'm not entirely sure where you're going with this...?
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Derf
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My point was to consider HOW God hardened Pharaoh's heart--not by magic fairy dust, but by doing things He knew would get a negative reaction from Pharaoh, based in His knowledge of that particular Pharaoh's inclinations. To me, it's the only way it makes sense both that God hardened Pharaoh's heart and Pharaoh hardened his own heart
God hardened Pharaoh's heart by repeatedly showing that He not only existed but was far more powerful than the gods Pharaoh worshipped. Technically speaking, "God hardened Pharaoh's heart" is saying "God did something that caused Pharaoh to harden his heart."
Another example of this is David killing Uriah. David did not personally swing an Ammonite sword at Uriah. What he actually did was arrange circumstances so that the Ammonites would kill Uriah.
An even better example is when God “moved David” to number Israel, but Satan is the immediate mover:
Again the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.”
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Samuel 24:1 - New King James Version
David’s Census of Israel and Judah - Again the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.”
Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Chronicles 21:1 - New King James Version
The Census of Israel and Judah - Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.
Well, a rose by any other name, right?
So, I actually got interrupted yesterday and failed to finish making the point I intended to make.
That point being that if a capitalist society were actually allowed to mature out of its initial stages, you wouldn't be able to draw it as a pyramid at all. People in the poverty category would be quite few and far between and even those that existed would only be considered "impoverished" in comparison to the rest of the society. Even in our mostly socialistic system, the poor in this country live better than the middle class in most societies around the world. They all have pretty much all the food they can eat, their own cars, live in multi-room homes with air conditioning and refrigerators and comfortable furniture and their very own bed; they have multiple sets of clothing and shoes and a means to wash that clothing (and themselves) at very low cost with soap in extremely clean water, etc, etc ,etc. Imagine how the "poor" would live in a society that didn't have a to filter the money that went to pay for such things through a corrupt governmental "welfare" system and where the poor aren't penalized for earning their own money and what money such people do earn doesn't get pissed away down the sewer pit of taxes (i.e. sales tax, gas tax, excise tax, etc).
The Pyramid would be truncated at the top as well because monopolies couldn't persist they way they do today. Indeed, they'd have a hard time forming at all in a genuinely capitalist society where the super-rich didn't get to make the rules to suit themselves the way they do today. In a society where what you earn is yours by right and virtually every other kind of wealth building is considered a form of theft which is criminally prosecuted, it's hard to create a situation where someone cannot come along to compete with your business.
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I think that Free Market is the proper term.
Yes, these kinds of simplified drawings are not meant to capture the complete idea of the things that they are contrasting.
I often imagine a just and Godly society where everyone but the lazy and corrupt flourish.
I often find it hard to believe that people cannot recognize the difference between a true free market economy and the corrupt nonsense that we currently have.
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