On the omniscience of God

[JudgeRightly]

Thank you for remind me that.

What is missing in your understanding is the following:

Fact in this part, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up", Jesus is not talking about himself.

Did you miss the part where it clearly says:

But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:21-22 - New King James Version

But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

www.biblegateway.com

Before you react to the fact, you better check that Jesus came to deliver the good news, he is not the good news.

Jesus was indeed the Good News.

The entire Bible is about Him.

The message He preached was overwhelmingly self-centered. If anyone other than Him preached such a message, it would have been blasphemy, because such a message is only valid if the one preaching it is God.

Deity of Christ Bible Verses: A Different Approach | KGOV.com

kgov.com

His mission was to OBEY the Father and deliver the message and fulfill his mission with a sacrifice.

None of this means He wasn't God,

In other words, what he said to the people wasn't his words but the words of the Father. He was like Moses or any prophet in this aspect.

See the above link.

For you to understand what happened in that moment, best is to read it in accord to the mission of Jesus: "This is what YHWH says: destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

Oh the pretzels you people will try to twist scripture into in order to cling to your false beliefs.

The Bible does not say nor does it mean "This is what YHWH says: destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

What it says and what it means is stated plainly in the text:

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” . . . But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:19, John 2:21-22 - New King James Version

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

www.biblegateway.com

Notice that Jesus became God's "word" in order to the masses listen with their ears what the Father says.

Jesus has always been the LOGOS, which is God, which is poorly translated as "word."

You better start to check that when Jesus talks about things like going here and there, about situations happening regularly as part of living, those were his words as man, but when he says a prophecy, tell me, where the prophecies came all the time since the beginning, from man or from God?

In the Old Testament, we constantly see the phrase "Thus says the Lord," used about 420 times.

But we don't see that phrase in the New Testament, not once. Instead, we find that it's been replaced with Jesus saying, "I say unto you," 135 times.

Jesus is at the heart of His own message. He is the one giving the prophecies.

Yes, prophecies come solely from God, the Father.

From God, yes, but not necessarily the Father.

When Jesus said the prophecy, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up", that was the Father talking.

Scripture says otherwise:

Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:22 - New King James Version

Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

www.biblegateway.com

Why don't you believe the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said?

 

[Right Divider]

Thank you for remind me that.

What is missing in your understanding is the following:

Fact in this part, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up", Jesus is not talking about himself.

That is utterly ridiculous.

John 2:19-21 (AKJV/PCE)​

(2:19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (2:20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? (2:21) But he spake of the temple of his body.​

Before you react to the fact, you better check that Jesus came to deliver the good news, he is not the good news. His mission was to OBEY the Father and deliver the message and fulfill his mission with a sacrifice.

It's far more than just that. But your stubborn ignorance will not let you see any of it.

In other words, what he said to the people wasn't his words but the words of the Father. He was like Moses or any prophet in this aspect.

For you to understand what happened in that moment, best is to read it in accord to the mission of Jesus: "This is what YHWH says: destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

The temple OF HIS BODY.

Notice that Jesus became God's "word" in order to the masses listen with their ears what the Father says.

Jesus did NOT "become God's word". Jesus and always was THE WORD.

John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​

The Word was God.

You still have yet to confess which anti-Christ cult that you belong to.

 

[inthebeginning]

Did you miss the part where it clearly says:

But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:21-22 - New King James Version

But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

www.biblegateway.com

Jesus was indeed the Good News.

The entire Bible is about Him.

The message He preached was overwhelmingly self-centered. If anyone other than Him preached such a message, it would have been blasphemy, because such a message is only valid if the one preaching it is God.

Deity of Christ Bible Verses: A Different Approach | KGOV.com

kgov.com

None of this means He wasn't God,



See the above link.



Oh the pretzels you people will try to twist scripture into in order to cling to your false beliefs.

The Bible does not say nor does it mean "This is what YHWH says: destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

What it says and what it means is stated plainly in the text:

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” . . . But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:19, John 2:21-22 - New King James Version

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

www.biblegateway.com

Jesus has always been the LOGOS, which is God, which is poorly translated as "word."



In the Old Testament, we constantly see the phrase "Thus says the Lord," used about 420 times.

But we don't see that phrase in the New Testament, not once. Instead, we find that it's been replaced with Jesus saying, "I say unto you," 135 times.

Jesus is at the heart of His own message. He is the one giving the prophecies.



From God, yes, but not necessarily the Father.



Scripture says otherwise:

Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:22 - New King James Version

Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

www.biblegateway.com

Why don't you believe the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said?

Answer this simple question: what the scriptures say about who resurrected Jesus?

 

[inthebeginning]

That is utterly ridiculous.

John 2:19-21 (AKJV/PCE)​

(2:19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (2:20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? (2:21) But he spake of the temple of his body.​

It's far more than just that. But your stubborn ignorance will not let you see any of it.

The temple OF HIS BODY.

Jesus did NOT "become God's word". Jesus and always was THE WORD.

John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​

The Word was God.

You still have yet to confess which anti-Christ cult that you belong to.

Oh, I see, I see.

Yes, it is interpreted very well by you the part when I wrote: "Fact in this part, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up", Jesus is not talking about himself."

In reality Jesus was talking about himself, my intention -as you can observe in the rest of that posting- was "to clarify"* that "it wasn't Jesus who say those words about himself but those were words from the Father sent to the religious leaders about what will happen if Jesus is killed. (^ Instead of clarifying I made my position even more confused, Lol. But I am clarifying it now, and you better review your interpretation of the Bible because your position is in the incorrect interpretation).

Read that part clearly, if it was Jesus saying those words from his heart, then - as @JudgeRightly wrote- Jesus should have said "I say unto you, destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up".

But no, those words didn't come from Jesus as the author of them, but it was the prophetic message from the Father telling them that if Jesus is killed, then he -the Father- will resurrected him in three days.

And that is what happened, in the third day Jesus didn't resurrect to or by himself, it was the Father who resurrected Jesus, and the prophetic message was fulfilled.

 

[Right Divider]

Oh, I see, I see.

Yes, it is interpreted very well by you the part when I wrote: "Fact in this part, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up", Jesus is not talking about himself."

In reality Jesus was talking about himself, my intention -as you can observe in the rest of that posting- was "to clarify"* that "it wasn't Jesus who say those words about himself but those were words from the Father sent to the religious leaders about what will happen if Jesus is killed. (^ Instead of clarifying I made my position even more confused, Lol. But I am clarifying it now, and you better review your interpretation of the Bible because your position is in the incorrect interpretation).

Read that part clearly, if it was Jesus saying those words from his heart, then - as @JudgeRightly wrote- Jesus should have said "I say unto you, destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up".

But no, those words didn't come from Jesus as the author of them, but it was the prophetic message from the Father telling them that if Jesus is killed, then he -the Father- will resurrected him in three days.

And that is what happened, in the third day Jesus didn't resurrect to or by himself, it was the Father who resurrected Jesus, and the prophetic message was fulfilled.

God resurrected Jesus.
Jesus is God.

Again, which anti-Christ cult do you belong to?

 

[inthebeginning]

God resurrected Jesus.
Jesus is God.

Again, which anti-Christ cult do you belong to?

You are creating a "mystery" when you say that God resurrected Jesus and Jesus is God. Are you implying that he resurrected to himself? Who taught you to interpret the scriptures that way?

Hope you didn't learn from the mother of prostitutes, "The name written on her forehead was a mystery: Babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth".

So, according to you, every time Jesus praises or prays to the Father, are you implying that he was praising and praying to himself?

You sound like those nuts of quantum theory. A little more and you also will state that Jesus was in two different places at the same time. Come on. You can't let those interpretations take you away from the path traced by God, the Father.

Please, I beg you to reconsider your position in this. The scriptures are not to get you confused but to be understood and be followed. No way that the Creator will inspire a message for man in a way that the sentences in the messages became contradictory. When is about scriptures is a million times being ignorant than acquiring wrong knowledge.

I can't just leave this post without giving you a clue that I hope at least might help you to meditate about it. Just read Proverbs 30.

1 The words of Agur the son of Jakeh, even the prophecy: the man spake unto Ithiel, even unto Ithiel and Ucal,

2 Surely, I am more brutish than any man and have not the understanding of a man.

3 I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.

4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Yes, even before Jesus was born, it was known that there were a Father and a Son.

The scriptures are... beautiful.

If we don't humble ourselves, how can we understand the Bible? And don't take me wrong, I'm not against you, I just want to show you what the Bible says.

 

[Clete]

The God?

What you mean kemosabi?

Are you implying that Jesus is God the Father?

If your answer is "yes", then definitively you have not understood anything. Jesus was resurrected by God the Father. Simple as that.

Goodbye!

 

[Clete]

The Oneness Pentecostals are coming out of the woodwork. They are entirely worthless wastes of time to try to debate. You might as well try to debate race issues with a member of the Yehweh Ben Yehweh cult.

 

[Right Divider]

You are creating a "mystery" when you say that God resurrected Jesus and Jesus is God.

I am doing no such thing.

Are you implying that he resurrected to himself?

Yes, because He is God.

Who taught you to interpret the scriptures that way?

I simply read what it says and believe it, unlike you.

So, according to you, every time Jesus praises or prays to the Father, are you implying that he was praising and praying to himself?

NO, that is just something that YOU and your CULT made up.

There are THREE PERSONS in the GODHEAD: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Yes, even before Jesus was born, it was known that there were a Father and a Son.

Duh, the members of the GODHEAD are eternal.

The scriptures are... beautiful.

The scriptures are true... you are false.

If we don't humble ourselves, how can we understand the Bible?

Indeed, that is part of your problem.

And don't take me wrong, I'm not against you, I just want to show you what the Bible says.

No, you are not.