Oh No Not Another Apocalypse Thread By Chrysostom

[Idolater]

It isn't like the earliest Church was like, "WE HAVE NO IDEA who Mr.666 is." They were like, "It's Nero." Caesar Nero when transcribed in Hebrew alphabet (btw the first two letters in the Hebrew alphabet are alef and bet), equals 666 when the letters, which are also numbers in ancient Hebrew, because they didn't have digits 1,2,3,4, are all added up. You get 666.



When you don't give someone the benefit of the doubt you belie ideological commitment, not measured reason. So especially then if you won't give THE EARLY CHURCH the benefit of the doubt—all the more so.

It doesn't make it conclusive, but you do have to explain why what the earliest Church thought was wrong. Otherwise we're just supposed to ignore the man behind the curtain? It doesn't make sense. You have a novel theory—OK. Why was the early Church wrong though? You have to explain that. Explain about the man behind the curtain—what's the story there?

 

[chrysostom]

That's not it at all. Nero is Mr. 666. Earliest Church knew this. You override and overrule them—why? Why aren't you at least giving them the benefit of the doubt?

Have you identified the beasts, Babylon ?? Can't say Nero fits until you do.

 

[Idolater]

Have you identified the beasts, Babylon ?? Can't say Nero fits until you do.

Non-responsive.

 

[Clete]

I positioned myself and questions to get to the root, and it contradicted itself from telling me it wasn't used anywhere else in the NT. I have a tangent, and in my opinion, it is a good one.

Huh?

 

[chrysostom]

Enter the four horsemen and the sea colors. The Red Sea and Black Sea are easy. Mohammed is the rider of the red horse and Marx is the rider of the black horse. The White Sea doesn't work but the Mediterranean and Aegean seas aka white sea do and the bow is a rainbow or covenant not unlike the bow in Genesis 9:13 making Constantine the rider of the white horse.
The jury is still out on the Pale horse but Ukraine and the Pale of Settlement is being considered.

Enter Revelation 9 which shows the visions or chapters of the Apocalypse are not necessarily in chronological order aka the theory of Recapitulation introduced by Victorinus. The beast with seven heads, mortally wounded, was cast into the bottomless pit in Chapter 20 is released in chapter 9 as the beast with ten horns who will hate the whore. So Constantinople, Babylon the Great, started in chapter 20 falls in chapter 18 to Islam in 1453 after the thousand year reign with Christ.

 

[Idolater]

Non-responsive.

You: "Thanks for the bump"

 

[chrysostom]

Enter Revelation 9 which shows the visions or chapters of the Apocalypse are not necessarily in chronological order aka the theory of Recapitulation introduced by Victorinus. The beast with seven heads, mortally wounded, was cast into the bottomless pit in Chapter 20 is released in chapter 9 as the beast with ten horns who will hate the whore. So Constantinople, Babylon the Great, started in chapter 20 falls in chapter 18 to Islam in 1453 after the thousand year reign with Christ.

A witness in the order of Melchizedek. Zerubbabel, the governor, and Joshua, the high priest, started the second temple.
The Byzantine Empire and The Holy Roman Empire are the two witnesses where the Church and the State are working together. The two olive trees leads us to Zechariah and Zerubbabel who is connected to Joshua. Melchizedek was the first witness who was both a king and a high priest. Church and State working together is not a new or untested concept.

 

[chrysostom]

Today's daily reading, November 9, 2025, has Jesus, at the Temple, driving out the money changer's. The only time He shows His anger. I wonder how He feels about His Church. This reminds me of the four beasts of Daniel. What makes a beast a beast according to Daniel? Could it be the Temple? Has anyone addressed this? Jesus does refer to the Temple when He talks about the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. What is in the holy place now? The Dome of the Rock. Would not that make Islam a beast preventing the daily sacrifice? Just like Babylon destroying the first Temple, Greece desecrating the second, and Rome destroying the second? Sebeos may have been the first to see this.

 

[Idolater]

Today's daily reading, November 9, 2025, has Jesus, at the Temple, driving out the money changer's. The only time He shows His anger. I wonder how He feels about His Church. This reminds me of the four beasts of Daniel. What makes a beast a beast according to Daniel? Could it be the Temple? Has anyone addressed this? Jesus does refer to the Temple when He talks about the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. What is in the holy place now? The Dome of the Rock. Would not that make Islam a beast preventing the daily sacrifice? Just like Babylon destroying the first Temple, Greece desecrating the second, and Rome destroying the second? Sebeos may have been the first to see this.

Desolation on the Temple mount is the abomination of desolation, that's been going on since AD 70. Just because there's a Muslim bodega there doesn't mean anything, doesn't contribute in any way to the Lord's or to Daniel's prophecy.

 

[chrysostom]

A witness in the order of Melchizedek. Zerubbabel, the governor, and Joshua, the high priest, started the second temple.
The Byzantine Empire and The Holy Roman Empire are the two witnesses where the Church and the State are working together. The two olive trees leads us to Zechariah and Zerubbabel who is connected to Joshua. Melchizedek was the first witness who was both a king and a high priest. Church and State working together is not a new or untested concept.

Enter the great whore. A great city, a mystery with many waters and merchants, that is fallen, and can be found no more at all. That doesn't sound like Rome at all. It has seven hills. Everyone knew that. That was not a mystery. The real mystery was Constantinople having seven hills. No one knew that. It had many waters and merchants, has fallen, and can be found no more at all. It is still a mystery.

 

[chrysostom]

Enter the great whore. A great city, a mystery with many waters and merchants, that is fallen, and can be found no more at all. That doesn't sound like Rome at all. It has seven hills. Everyone knew that. That was not a mystery. The real mystery was Constantinople having seven hills. No one knew that. It had many waters and merchants, has fallen, and can be found no more at all. It is still a mystery.

Enter a thousand years and the bottomless pit which connects chapters 9, 11, 17, and 20. Commentaries don't mention this. How can you ignore it? It is easy when it doesn't fit your agenda. So what is my agenda? To show the pope is not a whore. Is that really necessary? You betcha. It is open season on Catholics. You are free to attack us. The inquisition is over. BTW the Byzantine Empire is the thousand years when they reigned with Christ. The reign of Christ cannot be found at all in the bible. Only on the internet. Go figure.

 

[annabenedetti]

With later models (e.g. GPT 4o and GPT 5) it still happens but not as much. Not only that, but if you are using the bot properly, such hallucinations are instantly detectable. If anyone is ever fooled into believing something based on a chatbot hallucination, it is proof possitive that they were using the bot for purposes it was not designed for.

In a thread that has apparently been deleted, you told Lon goodbye forever and that you were done with TOL so I'm not going to spend much time replying to your post except to say that for anyone reading your above, I'd recommend they look for themselves into how chatbots hallucinate, and why and what that means for factual accuracy.

And for the love of Pete, already I wish people would stop relying on chatbots to do their thinking for them. I've seen too many forum members here and elsewhere give some variation on "I sent your post through chat GPT to understand/respond to it" and then insert their own biases into the prompt ensuring them AI would give a summation that would confirm their negative opinion of the other poster and justify their own response.

Now it's "I asked chatGPT this" and "I had this conversation with chatGPT" and now people are relying on chatGPT for things in all kinds of categories for which they used to use their own brain. And no, it's not like using a calculator instead of a pencil or doing a Google search, people are literally and mindlessly allowing chatGPT to do the heavy lifting of the simplest things, including trying to understand what someone has just said to them.

When I see someone say "I used/asked/prompted chatGPT" to compose a post, I've begun ignoring those posts. Bullet points? Several key categorical headings, followed by a conclusion? Dead giveaways, even if they don't say they used it upfront, which at least you have done, but not everyone does. Forums seem like a last vestige of the old internet, but if users are mostly chatGPT regurgitators then why bother?

Sorry @chrysostom for my part in taking your thread off-topic.

Edited to add: The thread is back, I guess maybe it was temporarily hidden.

 

[chrysostom]

Enter a thousand years and the bottomless pit which connects chapters 9, 11, 17, and 20. Commentaries don't mention this. How can you ignore it? It is easy when it doesn't fit your agenda. So what is my agenda? To show the pope is not a whore. Is that really necessary? You betcha. It is open season on Catholics. You are free to attack us. The inquisition is over. BTW the Byzantine Empire is the thousand years when they reigned with Christ. The reign of Christ cannot be found at all in the bible. Only on the internet. Go figure.

Enter New Jerusalem with a river running through it and twelve gates. Four in each direction. That would be Rome and the gates of hell shall not prevail against Her. map of Rome

 

[Right Divider]

Enter New Jerusalem with a river running through it and twelve gates. Four in each direction. That would be Rome and the gates of hell shall not prevail against Her. map of Rome

That may be the funniest post in the entire history of TOL!
(other than the fact that it's completely retarded).

 

[chrysostom]

That may be the funniest post in the entire history of TOL!
(other than the fact that it's completely retarded).

methinks thou protesteth too much

 

[chrysostom]

Enter New Jerusalem with a river running through it and twelve gates. Four in each direction. That would be Rome and the gates of hell shall not prevail against Her. map of Rome

When this book was first written, the time was near for the first coming. Now the time is near for the second coming.

Come Lord Jesus.

 

[Derf]

Enter the great whore. A great city, a mystery with many waters and merchants, that is fallen, and can be found no more at all. That doesn't sound like Rome at all. It has seven hills. Everyone knew that. That was not a mystery. The real mystery was Constantinople having seven hills. No one knew that. It had many waters and merchants, has fallen, and can be found no more at all. It is still a mystery.

Why does "seven hills" have to be literal, since most of the rest isn't?

 

[Right Divider]

Enter New Jerusalem with a river running through it and twelve gates. Four in each direction. That would be Rome and the gates of hell shall not prevail against Her. map of Rome

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the RCC has tried so hard to steal Israel's place.

The new Jerusalem will be in ISRAEL. Everything about Revelation is about ISRAEL (and God's relationship with them).

The TWELVE gates are labelled with the names of the TWELVE tribes of ISRAEL. etc. etc. etc.

 

[chrysostom]

Why does "seven hills" have to be literal, since most of the rest isn't?

It doesn't have to be but you should always look for it. Don't ever ignore a literal interpretation.

 

[chrysostom]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the RCC has tried so hard to steal Israel's place.

It was real easy. Islam helped a lot.