Reconciled by the cross on this day, Thursday.

[Nick M]

and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

That is the good news of the kingdom under the covenant of circumcision.

 

[Nick M]

You don't think that the Apostles understood that Calvary was a fulfillment of the Passover?

Well, The Holy Spirit laid out a murder charge to the audience at Pentecost. Not reconciliation. Their eyes were opened to his death and resurrection, but not why. In Acts 10 Peter said no to eating the unclean animals, the metaphor of gentiles. He was still keeping the law of Moses.

You're making sense, I just expected you to have a link to another amazing teaching from Bob that nails it down so firmly.

He started His ministry at "about 30 years of age" according to Luke's gospel. Can we firm it up any more than that?

I don't think there is a Bob Hill article on it. He mentions it in this Christmas date article. But this is about spring or fall birthday, following conception on December 25th or very close to it.

9. After a perfect 280 day gestation, He was born. The date was September 29, 4 B.C.

Edit one more time.

1. All scholars agree that December 25th is not Christ’s birthday. What is the date then? According to 1 Chronicles, there were 24 divisions of the sons of Aaron who ministered in the temple.

1 Chr 24:1,5-19 Now these are the divisions of the sons of Aaron. The sons of Aaron were Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar. 5 Thus they were divided by lot, one group as another, for there were officials of the sanctuary and officials of the house of God, from the sons of Eleazar and from the sons of Ithamar. 6 And the scribe, Shemaiah the son of Nethanel, one of the Levites, wrote them down before the king, the leaders, Zadok the priest, Ahimelech the son of Abiathar, and the heads of the fathers’ houses of the priests and Levites, one father’s house taken for Eleazar and one for Ithamar. 7 Now the first lot fell to Jehoiarib, the second to Jedaiah, 8 the third to Harim, the fourth to Seorim, 9 the fifth to Malchijah, the sixth to Mijamin, 10 the seventh to Hakkoz, the eighth to Abijah, 11 the ninth to Jeshua, the tenth to Shecaniah, 12 the eleventh to Eliashib, the twelfth to Jakim, 13 the thirteenth to Huppah, the fourteenth to Jeshebeab, 14 the fifteenth to Bilgah, the sixteenth to Immer, 15 the seventeenth to Hezir, the eighteenth to Happizzez, 16 the nineteenth to Pethahiah, the twentieth to Jehezekel, 17 the twenty-first to Jachin, the twenty-second to Gamul, 18 the twenty-third to Delaiah, the twenty-fourth to Maaziah. 19 This was the schedule of their service for coming into the house of the LORD according to their ordinance by the hand of Aaron their father, as the LORD God of Israel had commanded him.

There were 2 ministrations of each division. They started at the commencement of the civil year in the month Ethanim or Tishri, our September-October. Rosh Ha Shanah is Tishri 1. All the divisions served together at the great feasts.

2. Zacharias was of the division of Abijah.

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.

3. The first ministration does not fit our calculations to allow for pasture when the shepherds were “living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night” (Luke 2:8). It would put the birth in March. However, the 2nd ministration was 12-18 Sivan, our June 13-19, which would put the birth in the fall.

4. Each ministration began on the Sabbath. Therefore, the day after his ministration was complete, the 20th, was a Sabbath, so Zacharias would stay until the next day, June 21.

5. Zacharias lived in the hill country of Judah (Luke 1:39), about 30 miles away. It would take a man “well advanced in years” (Luke 1:7) probably 2 days to get home. That would make his arrival June 23rd.

6. The miraculous conception of John probably took place the night of June 23-24, 5 B.C.

Luke 1:23-24 And so it was, as soon as the days of his service were completed, that he departed to his own house. 24 Now after those days his wife Elizabeth conceived.

7. The begetting (Mat 1:18) of Christ by the Holy Spirit was the 6th month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy.

Luke 1:26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth. 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!” 29 But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was.:30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.”

8. Therefore, if our suppositions are true, the begetting of Christ 6 months after John was December 25, 5 B.C.

9. After a perfect 280 day gestation, He was born. The date was September 29, 4 B.C.

10. The “Festival of Michael and All Angels” was on September 29. That’s when the heavenly host appeared.

Luke 2:9-14 And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid. 10 Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. 11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. 12 And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.” 13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying: 14 “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, goodwill toward men!”

11. This was on the 1st day of the Feast of Tabernacles.

John 1:14 o logo" sarx egeneto kai eskhnwsen (tabernacled), not katoikew, dwell, found 10 times.

John 1:14 the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. skhnow is only found here and Rev 7:15; 12:12; 13:6; 21:3. All are coupled with the tabernacle except 13:6, believers tabernacling in heaven.

12. Therefore, we should celebrate this great day, December 25th, as Annunciation day when God became flesh.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Bob Hill

Pretty sure Clete was referring to Bob Enyart.

 

[Nick M]

Pretty sure Clete was referring to Bob Enyart.

I thought so too, but Hill's archive is really good.

 

[Clete]

First of all the 30AD is the wrong year... and that alone would have place the 14th of Nisan on Thursday. I have listened to the interview and disagree with it.....

False.

The 14th of Nisan in the year 30 AD fell on Friday, April 7th.

Not only is that the - by far - most commonly accepted date but it just so happens to perfectly fit the biblical narrative as has been clearly presented here without refutation or rational rebuttal. You showing up to disagree, as far as I'm concerned, only helps to confirm it. You seem to disagree with anything and everything that makes actual sense.

 

[Clete]

Well, The Holy Spirit laid out a murder charge to the audience at Pentecost. Not reconciliation. Their eyes were opened to his death and resurrection, but not why. In Acts 10 Peter said no to eating the unclean animals, the metaphor of gentiles. He was still keeping the law of Moses.

That doesn't seem relevant. Quite the contrary. Just as they understood Calvary to have been a fulfillment of Passover, they would have seen the events in the upper room as well as the pouring out of the Holy Spirit as a fulfillment of prophecy, including that of Feast of Weeks. All very Jewish stuff. There's no reason they would have thought anything different about Gentiles than they had before nor would there have been any motive for them to not obey Moses. Indeed, the Feasts are all part and parcel of the Mosaic Law.

I don't think there is a Bob Hill article on it. He mentions it in this Christmas date article. But this is about spring or fall birthday, following conception on December 25th or very close to it.

I remember Bob Enyart talking about a possible conception date of Dec. 25th back when he was on television. I didn't know Pastor Hill had anything on the topic. I wish they had both published more in writing than they did.

 

[Clete]

That is the good news of the kingdom under the covenant of circumcision.

Yeah, so?

I honestly don't understand your argument. The events of Calvary being a fulfillment of Passover is, by definition, a kingdom / covenant of circumcision thing.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I remember Bob Enyart talking about a possible conception date of Dec. 25th back when he was on television. I didn't know Pastor Hill had anything on the topic. I wish they had both published more in writing than they did.

Ooh! Maybe he talked about it in "Planets, Stars, and the Bible"...

 

[Clete]

Ooh! Maybe he talked about it in "Planets, Stars, and the Bible"...

Seems like there's a video about the Star of Bethlehem that I think it was in.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Seems like there's a video about the Star of Bethlehem that I think it was in.

The Astronomical Star of Bethlehem | KGOV.com

kgov.com

 

[Nick M]

That doesn't seem relevant.

I think it is. Off the top of my head the only place Peter comes close is Acts 15 when he says they shall be saved (future) in the manner gentiles are (current). Because they had to keep the law of Moses after Pentecost, and will through the 70th week. At Pentecost he states why he was raised up.

30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

Whatever the scripture states, including something I read a dozen times and possibly missed, is the answer. I will look this evening to see if Paul calls the reconciliation by the cross a mystery just now revealed. I know he states several times regarding the body of Christ and gentiles specifically. He mentions it was hidden so the rulers of the world would not stop the event, which is before. I will start there.

 

[Bladerunner]

My position is what the Bible says.

Your position is.... Something other than what the Bible says.

I'll stick with what the Bible says.

From Daniel 9:25, from the command to rebuild the temple and the streets was March 14th 445 BC...From that date, 173,880 days into the future, Jesus rode into Jerusalem. The exact Day that was predicted by Daniel through Gabriel. I think I will also stick with the Bible and what GOD sent Daniel. I have attached a simple calendar of nights and days. Try to get the three days and nights into Thursday crucifixion. even so,, there would have been two Sabbaths back to back Friday and Sat. Rem. the part about the food was to be stocked up for one extra day, not two. Also rem the 6 days before the day of His Crucifixion. Would not happen with Thursday.. Many other problems with Thursday. Add the events to this calendar. (1) Jesus was in Bethany on the 8th right before a Sabbath. (2) the inspection of the lambs four days (10th) before Passover. Passover on 14th, Feast of unleavened Bread on the 15th (a High Sabbath), a second Sabbath on Friday eve (17th) and the Feast of first fruits on Sat eve.(18th-Resurrection Day).

 

[Bladerunner]

False.

The 14th of Nisan in the year 30 AD fell on Friday, April 7th.

Not only is that the - by far - most commonly accepted date but it just so happens to perfectly fit the biblical narrative as has been clearly presented here without refutation or rational rebuttal. You showing up to disagree, as far as I'm concerned, only helps to confirm it. You seem to disagree with anything and everything that makes actual sense.

Understand that Clete...but how did you come to the conclusion of 30 AD...on the other hand, if you take the 173,880 days from March 14th 445 BC and add in the appropriate leap years, etc. then you come up with April 6th, 32 AD.....

 

[JudgeRightly]

From Daniel 9:25, from the command to rebuild the temple and the streets was March 14th 445 BC...From that date, 173,880 days into the future, Jesus rode into Jerusalem. The exact Day that was predicted by Daniel through Gabriel.

Jesus rode in on a Sunday. Your view has Him riding in on a sabbath day.

I think I will also stick with the Bible and what GOD sent Daniel.

So you claim!

But in reality, YOU'RE NOT!

You can claim that's what you're doing until you're blue in the face or until the cows come home, whichever comes first, but it doesn't mean you actually are!

I have attached a simple calendar of nights and days.

Thanks for that, that makes this easier to demonstrate why you're wrong.

Observe:



You have four days and three nights instead of three days and three nights, not to mention the fact that Jesus ROSE on the THIRD DAY, NOT the fourth!! Your view has Jesus rising on the fourth day!

Try to get the three days and nights into Thursday crucifixion.

EASY!!! Observe!

even so, there would have been two Sabbaths back to back Friday and Sat.

Yes. There was, in fact, two sabbath days the year Christ was crucified. And no, AD 32 doesn't have this.

Leviticus 23 tells us exactly why:

There was a High Sabbath, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, on Friday, 14 Nisan, AD 30.

And the Sunday IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING IT was the feast of Firstfruits. (Ignore the date numbers in the following image, I forgot to cross them out. As they're incorrect.

Rem. the part about the food was to be stocked up for one extra day, not two.

On normal sabbath days, yes, they would have had to have food for only one day.

But there is a second calendar in play (Leviticus 23) that you are completely ignoring.

The dates on this second calendar are not tied to days of the week, but rather dates in the year, meaning regardless of what day of the week it is, certain things were to be observed. The Feast of Unleavened bread was to be a day of rest, regardless of what day of the week it fell on.

The Jews would have been well aware of this second calendar, and knew when they would need to prepare an extra day of food for whenever the high sabbath and regular weekly sabbath would be back to back.

Also rem the 6 days before the day of His Crucifixion.

What about them?

Would not happen with Thursday. Many other problems with Thursday.

Saying it doesn't make it so, Blade.

Assertion without evidence will be dismissed without evidence.

Present your evidence. Point out the problems.

Add the events to this calendar. (1) Jesus was in Bethany on the 8th right before a Sabbath.

Friday (14 Nisan) was a high sabbath (see Leviticus 23). The 8 Nisan is 6 days before the high sabbath.

(2) the inspection of the lambs four days (10th) before Passover.

Go read Exodus 12. Compare it to sequence of events surrounding the crucifixion.

Jesus entered Jerusalem on Sunday. (selection of the lamb)

Jesus was in Jerusalem for four days BEFORE Passover. (inspection of the lamb by the people.

Jesus was turned over to the High Priests Thursday evening (what we today call Wednesday night would be the start of Thursday, since the days were counted "evening then morning, not day then night) after the last supper. (inspection of the lamb by the chief priests of Israel)

Jesus was crucified at 9 am, and died around 3 pm. (the lamb was killed at the same time)

He was then taken down, because the sabbathS were approaching, and they couldn't do any work after twilight ended. (which signaled the start of Unleavened bread.

He was then in the tomb until sometime before Sunday morning, having risen ON the third day.

Passover on 14th, Feast of unleavened Bread on the 15th (a High Sabbath), a second Sabbath on Friday eve

OHH NOOO! You were doing so well up until you said "Friday."

No, the 17th was NOT a Friday.

The problem is that you're begging the question that it was in AD 32.

The problem with that is that it doesn't fit the narrative!

Christ was crucified on Passover, was in the grave for three days and three nights, and rose ON THE THIRD DAY, a Sunday. AD 32 has the amount of time between 3pm on Passover and before 6am on Sunday as FOUR days and three nights, with Jesus rising on the fourth day, and not the third, in direct contradiction to the narrative!

Therefore, as Paul says in Romans 3:4: "Let God be true, and every man a liar," and concede that an AD 32 crucifixion does not fit the narrative.

(17th) and the Feast of first fruits on Sat eve.(18th-Resurrection Day).

The dates you are giving match.

The days you are giving do not.

Jesus did not rise on a Saturday. He rose on a Sunday, SPECIFICALLY on the day of the Feast of Firstfruits, because the Feast of Firstfruits is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS on the day AFTER the sabbath (Leviticus 23:11).

It is NEVER on a sabbath day, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO WHAT GOD REQUIRED OF THEM TO BECAUSE IT'S A DAY OF REST!

 

[JudgeRightly]

Understand that Clete...but how did you come to the conclusion of 30 AD...on the other hand, if you take the 173,880 days from March 14th 445 BC and add in the appropriate leap years, etc. then you come up with April 6th, 32 AD.....

Because of the second calendar the Jews had.

AD 32 simply does not work because it has the Passover followed by a high sabbath followed by a normal day followed by the weekly sabbath followed by Sunday.

Christ was in the grave for 3 days and nights, and rose on the third day.

AD 32 has 4 days between passover and Sunday morning.

It simply doesn't fit.