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Noted that it's not enough for you that the text says it.
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Noted that it's not enough for you that the text says it.
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Again, we need to see what the texts MEAN based on their CONTEXT.
I fully understand that your RCC disrespect for scripture makes this a problem for you.
I agree with you ... saved by grace, and the Jews have the same opportunity to the same process as us. Through grace of accepting Jesus and being born again. There is no way they can keep all the laws and get there.
All people are saved by grace ... that's the new covenant of Christ for all men. I believe even King David was saved by grace and somehow understood and believed there was to be a promised one to come ... which he called "My Lord." as in [The LORD said unto My LORD.]
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Yes I agree. No Scriptural Basis for this assertion. We are saved to the uttermost by faith in Christ and His Sacrifice.
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That's good.
If you have no scriptural basis... then you have no basis at all.
Can you support this claim? If so... how?
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Is Justin Johnson a dispensationalist?
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Yes, Justin is Mid-Acts.
He rightly divides the word of truth, as he should and as we all should.
Broad is their pathway to destruction. They have to keep the law of Moses, and believe in their messiah. If they do not believe, they are condemned already. After the departure of the church, there will be a return to the law of Moses. This is scriptural, as the Lord Jesus Christ demands it. It will be the end of the dispensation of grace. Israel is saved as a nation, that is to what I am referring. You are not born again, neither are they. They will be resurrected, that is born again.
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That was true up until the destruction of the temple in 70 ad. Now it is required of all Jews and gentiles salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone believing that he died and Rose from the dead, shedding his blood as the sacrifice for their sins.
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Lies.
70 AD had nothing to do with it. Salvation was available to both Jew and Gentile "by grace through faith in Christ alone believing that he died and Rose from the dead, shedding his blood as the sacrifice for their sins", as you put it, well before 70 AD. The events of 70 AD were an effect of Israel being cut off, not the event itself. We know with biblical certainty that Israel had been cut off at some point before Romans was written, which was in the mid 50's AD. Romans 9 - 11 clearly indicate not only that Israel had been cut off but why that happened and that their cut off condition is temporary...
Romans 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
I'm curious to understand something. You aren't the first to associate 70 AD with major theological changes concerning Israel. I agree that it isn't entirely disconnected but, as I said, it's an effect of the changes; a result of biblical events, and does not stand as the major turning point itself. The turning point, as Scripture very clearly reveals, came well before that. So my question is this: what leads someone to treat 70 AD, a clearly extra-biblical historical event, as if it marked the decisive moment in God's redemptive program? Seems like if the events of 70 AD was the point in history where things changed for Israel, it would have been made part of the biblical record. Right?
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Due to the dispensation of grace given to Paul for us. The covenant of circumcision is everlasting. To inherit their land, they must keep the law of Moses.