Maunday Thursday

[rstrats]

And whether someone believes in Maundy Thursday is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making!

And that is why your point belongs in a different topic.

 

[JudgeRightly]

And that is why your point belongs in a different topic.

You should be more concerned with truth, rstrats.

Not made up celebrations based off of incorrect interpretations of the Bible.

 

[rstrats]

You should be more concerned with truth, rstrats.

Oh, I am JR. I would like to learn the truth with regard to when the Lord's Supper took place - at the beginning of the calendar day or during the afternoon of the calendar day.

 

[Idolater]

Because Thursday night 2000 years ago, which is what we are talking about, occupied the first half of the calendar day.

Maundy Thursday uses our nomenclature, our timeline. Dusk, sundown, is still called the same day until midnight, so the day we call Thursday turns into Thursday evening, not Friday evening.

This topic is simply asking on what part of Thursday did the Lord's Supper take place.

By your reasoning it happened on Friday evening, but by our convention it was Thursday night.

 

[rstrats]

Maundy Thursday uses our nomenclature, our timeline.

I understand you. What I don't understand is why you want to observe the goings on of the first century using the nomenclature - as you call it - of during the present time instead of the nomenclature during the time of when they actually happened.

...by our convention it was Thursday night.

But which Thursday night of Thursday - the first night of Thursday or the second night of Thursday?

 

[Idolater]

We formally recognize days as starting at midnight, we practically consider them to start at dawn. The ancient Levant practically considered them to start at dusk.

So while what they would say is the beginning of Monday, at dusk following Sunday's daytime, we would call that still Sunday.

That's Palm Sunday, and for the same reason, that's why Maundy Thursday is Thursday and not Maundy Friday. Also it's not Palm Monday.

We celebrate Palm Sunday during the daytime on Sunday, and then the event we commemorate actually occurred later that evening, which is according to the ancient Levant the start of the first half of Monday, but for us under our convention, it's still Sunday.

"Sunday night" for us, was 10 Nisan in the ancient Levant. So therefore "Thursday night" was 14 Nisan, and 14 Nisan is Passover. 15 Nisan that year was not only the first day of Unleavened Bread, but also a standard weekly Sabbath, a Saturday, and then, per Leviticus 23:11, came First Fruits, on Sunday.

So that puts Sunday on 16 Nisan, the third day, counting 14 Nisan as day one (and Jesus was taken down from the cross and buried before it got dark), 15 Nisan as day two, and 16 Nisan as the third day.

 

[rstrats]

Ok, since we can't agree on when a calendar day starts with regard to discussions about happenings in the first century, we'll just have to leave it at that.

However, I do have a question about one of your comments, i.e., "So that puts Sunday on 16 Nisan, the third day, counting 14 Nisan as day one (and Jesus was taken down from the cross and buried before it got dark), 15 Nisan as day two, and 16 Nisan as the third day."

How do you account for the lack of the third night with that timeframe?

 

[Idolater]

Ok, since we can't agree on when a calendar day starts with regard to discussions about happenings in the first century, we'll just have to leave it at that.

However, I do have a question about one of your comments, i.e., "So that puts Sunday on 16 Nisan, the third day, counting 14 Nisan as day one (and Jesus was taken down from the cross and buried before it got dark), 15 Nisan as day two, and 16 Nisan as the third day."

How do you account for the lack of the third night with that timeframe?

15 Nisan along with it being the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread is also a Sabbath, because it fell on a Saturday. So it's like two holidays, the standard weekly holiday of the Sabbath, and now also, because it's 15 Nisan (and 15 Nisan can fall on any day of the week unlike the Sabbath which is always a Saturday), the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread of Matzos as well. On the same day.

 

[rstrats]

15 Nisan along with it being the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread is also a Sabbath, because it fell on a Saturday. So it's like two holidays, the standard weekly holiday of the Sabbath, and now also, because it's 15 Nisan (and 15 Nisan can fall on any day of the week unlike the Sabbath which is always a Saturday), the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread of Matzos as well. On the same day.

How does that explain the lack of a third night?

 

[Idolater]

How does that explain the lack of a third night?

So 15 Nisan being the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread and happening also to be a Sabbath is like two days in one.

 

[rstrats]

So 15 Nisan being the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread and happening also to be a Sabbath is like two days in one.

I've got to say that that is the most outside of the box try at explaining the issue that I have heard. But that wouldn't work because it would add up to 4 nights.

 

[Idolater]

I've got to say that that is the most outside of the box try at explaining the issue that I have heard. But that wouldn't work because it would add up to 4 nights.

15 Nisan begins what we call Friday at sundown. So that night, is both the first day (because the day begins at night) of Unleavened Bread, plus the Sabbath, meaning 16 Nisan is First Fruits, which begins Saturday night. So with those two holidays happening at the same time, overlapping holidays, that might count as two nights in one. Then 16 Nisan starts Saturday night, that's three nights. Raised early in the morning, meaning still on 16 Nisan, which is First Fruits (Leviticus 23:11).

 

[rstrats]

15 Nisan begins what we call Friday at sundown. So that night, is both the first day (because the day begins at night) of Unleavened Bread, plus the Sabbath, meaning 16 Nisan is First Fruits, which begins Saturday night. So with those two holidays happening at the same time, overlapping holidays, that might count as two nights in one. Then 16 Nisan starts Saturday night, that's three nights. Raised early in the morning, meaning still on 16 Nisan, which is First Fruits (Leviticus 23:11).

Are you using a midnight - to midnight calendar day?

 

[JudgeRightly]

15 Nisan begins what we call Friday at sundown. So that night, is both the first day (because the day begins at night) of Unleavened Bread, plus the Sabbath, meaning 16 Nisan is First Fruits, which begins Saturday night. So with those two holidays happening at the same time, overlapping holidays, that might count as two nights in one. Then 16 Nisan starts Saturday night, that's three nights. Raised early in the morning, meaning still on 16 Nisan, which is First Fruits (Leviticus 23:11).

You're not making any sense at all, in light of what the narrative of Scripture says.

The calendar in Leviticus 23 is based on the "evening" part of "evening and morning" being the start of the new day, meaning that the new day starts at nightfall, not at sundown, and that day doesn't end until sundown at the end of the next daylight period. Meaning "Friday night" as we call it is Saturday evening according to the calendar, because evening comes before morning on that calendar. It mirrors Genesis 1.

Unleavened Bread (15 Nisan) is a high sabbath. Firstfruits does not happen until TWO evenings and mornings have passed, on 17 Nisan, which starts at what we call "Saturday night," but which the Feasts calendar calls evening, which is the start of the new day.

If 15 Nisan is Saturday, and not Friday (Unleavened Bread is a sabbath day, regardless of what day of the week it falls upon, but if it fell on the normal sabbath day), that does not leave enough time between 3 PM on Friday, and the first day of the week (cf Matthew 28:1), specifically at dawn (roughly 6 AM) when the women came to the tomb, for Jesus to have been in the tomb for three days and three nights (cf Matthew 12:40), no matter how you try to frame it.

Also, Firstfruits is the first day after the sabbath, but not necessarily Unleavened Bread, but it kicks off the Feast of Weeks, and there are ALWAYS 50 days after the sabbath, 7 normal sabbaths (49 days), with the 50th day being the final day of the feast of Weeks, and ALWAYS the first day of the week, because it's always the first day after a normal sabbath.

Let me list out a few points that prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that 15 Nisan was not on a Saturday, that Unleavened Bread was on Friday, and thus Christ was crucified on a Thursday (I got some help from ChatGPT for this, so pardon any weird formatting):

1. The women bought spices on the same day Jesus was buried, before observing at least one Sabbath. - Mark 16:1 – "When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint Him." - Luke 23:55-56 – "The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment." - This means: - They purchased and prepared the spices shortly after Jesus was buried on Passover (14 Nisan). - Then, they observed a Sabbath (15 Nisan, Unleavened Bread). 2. 14 Nisan is Passover, regardless of what day it falls upon. - Leviticus 23:5 – "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the Lord's Passover." - Jesus was crucified on 14 Nisan (Passover), not Unleavened Bread. 3. 15 Nisan is the first day of Unleavened Bread and is always a High Sabbath. - Leviticus 23:6-7 – "On the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread... On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no ordinary work." - This means 15 Nisan is always a no-work Sabbath (High Sabbath). 4. Firstfruits is always the first day after a Sabbath. - Leviticus 23:10-11 – "You shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits... On the day after the Sabbath, the priest shall wave it." - Since Jesus rose on the first day of the week (Sunday, Nisan 17), He fulfilled Firstfruits exactly. 5. Jesus said He would be in the grave for three days and three nights. - Matthew 12:40 – "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." - This must be taken literally, meaning three full days and nights must be accounted for. 6. Jesus was crucified at around 9 AM on Passover (14 Nisan) and was dead by about 3 PM the same day. - Mark 15:25 – "It was the third hour when they crucified Him." (9 AM Jewish time) - Mark 15:33-37 – "At the ninth hour, Jesus cried out ... and breathed His last." (3 PM Jewish time) - John 19:31 – "Because it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." - He was taken down before sundown and buried before the High Sabbath (15 Nisan) began. 7. In the Greek texts, the plural "Sabbaton" is used in several key verses, indicating there were multiple Sabbath days. - Matthew 28:1 (Greek text) – Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων (*Opse de sabbatōn*) – "After the Sabbaths (plural), at dawn on the first day of the week..." - The plural "Sabbaths" confirms two separate Sabbaths: 1. Friday (15 Nisan) – High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread. 2. Saturday (16 Nisan) – Weekly Sabbath. - If there were only one Sabbath (Saturday), Matthew would have used the singular form. - Mark 16:1, 2; Luke 24:1 also use the plural word. Finalized Chronological Timeline (Without Contradictions) Day Event Thursday (Nisan 14, Passover) Jesus is crucified at 9 AM, dies at 3 PM, buried before sundown. Thursday Evening (Nisan 15 Begins, Unleavened Bread, High Sabbath) The women buy and prepare spices before the High Sabbath begins. Friday (Nisan 15, High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread) No work allowed; the women rest. Saturday (Nisan 16, Weekly Sabbath) No work allowed; the women rest again. Sunday (Nisan 17, Firstfruits) Jesus resurrects at dawn; the women find the empty tomb. What This Resolves: Three days and three nights are fully accounted for (Thursday night → Sunday morning). The plural "Sabbaths" in Matthew 28:1 is explained (High Sabbath Friday, Weekly Sabbath Saturday). The women's timeline makes sense (they bought spices after burial, then rested). Firstfruits is correctly fulfilled on Sunday, Nisan 17, aligning with Jesus' resurrection. Final Conclusion: - This timeline matches all Biblical evidence, including: - The women buying spices before the Sabbath (Mark 16:1). - The two Sabbaths (Matthew 28:1, Greek plural Sabbaton). - The three days and three nights prophecy (Matthew 12:40). - The Passover-Firstfruits fulfillment (Leviticus 23:10-11, 1 Corinthians 15:20). - If 15 Nisan was Saturday and 16 Nisan was Firstfruits (Sunday), the timeline would break. - This confirms that Nisan 15 was Friday and Nisan 17 (Firstfruits) was Sunday.

 

[Idolater]

You're not making any sense at all, in light of what the narrative of Scripture says.

The calendar in Leviticus 23 is based on the "evening" part of "evening and morning" being the start of the new day, meaning that the new day starts at nightfall, not at sundown, and that day doesn't end until sundown at the end of the next daylight period. Meaning "Friday night" as we call it is Saturday evening according to the calendar, because evening comes before morning on that calendar. It mirrors Genesis 1.

Unleavened Bread (15 Nisan) is a high sabbath. Firstfruits does not happen until TWO evenings and mornings have passed, on 17 Nisan, which starts at what we call "Saturday night," but which the Feasts calendar calls evening, which is the start of the new day.

If 15 Nisan is Saturday, and not Friday (Unleavened Bread is a sabbath day, regardless of what day of the week it falls upon, but if it fell on the normal sabbath day), that does not leave enough time between 3 PM on Friday, and the first day of the week (cf Matthew 28:1), specifically at dawn (roughly 6 AM) when the women came to the tomb, for Jesus to have been in the tomb for three days and three nights (cf Matthew 12:40), no matter how you try to frame it.

Also, Firstfruits is the first day after the sabbath, but not necessarily Unleavened Bread, but it kicks off the Feast of Weeks, and there are ALWAYS 50 days after the sabbath, 7 normal sabbaths (49 days), with the 50th day being the final day of the feast of Weeks, and ALWAYS the first day of the week, because it's always the first day after a normal sabbath.

Let me list out a few points that prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that 15 Nisan was not on a Saturday, that Unleavened Bread was on Friday, and thus Christ was crucified on a Thursday (I got some help from ChatGPT for this, so pardon any weird formatting):

1. The women bought spices on the same day Jesus was buried, before observing at least one Sabbath. - Mark 16:1 – "When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint Him." - Luke 23:55-56 – "The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment." - This means: - They purchased and prepared the spices shortly after Jesus was buried on Passover (14 Nisan). - Then, they observed a Sabbath (15 Nisan, Unleavened Bread). 2. 14 Nisan is Passover, regardless of what day it falls upon. - Leviticus 23:5 – "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the Lord's Passover." - Jesus was crucified on 14 Nisan (Passover), not Unleavened Bread. 3. 15 Nisan is the first day of Unleavened Bread and is always a High Sabbath. - Leviticus 23:6-7 – "On the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread... On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no ordinary work." - This means 15 Nisan is always a no-work Sabbath (High Sabbath). 4. Firstfruits is always the first day after a Sabbath. - Leviticus 23:10-11 – "You shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits... On the day after the Sabbath, the priest shall wave it." - Since Jesus rose on the first day of the week (Sunday, Nisan 17), He fulfilled Firstfruits exactly. 5. Jesus said He would be in the grave for three days and three nights. - Matthew 12:40 – "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." - This must be taken literally, meaning three full days and nights must be accounted for. 6. Jesus was crucified at around 9 AM on Passover (14 Nisan) and was dead by about 3 PM the same day. - Mark 15:25 – "It was the third hour when they crucified Him." (9 AM Jewish time) - Mark 15:33-37 – "At the ninth hour, Jesus cried out ... and breathed His last." (3 PM Jewish time) - John 19:31 – "Because it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." - He was taken down before sundown and buried before the High Sabbath (15 Nisan) began. 7. In the Greek texts, the plural "Sabbaton" is used in several key verses, indicating there were multiple Sabbath days. - Matthew 28:1 (Greek text) – Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων (*Opse de sabbatōn*) – "After the Sabbaths (plural), at dawn on the first day of the week..." - The plural "Sabbaths" confirms two separate Sabbaths: 1. Friday (15 Nisan) – High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread. 2. Saturday (16 Nisan) – Weekly Sabbath. - If there were only one Sabbath (Saturday), Matthew would have used the singular form. - Mark 16:1, 2; Luke 24:1 also use the plural word. Finalized Chronological Timeline (Without Contradictions) Day Event Thursday (Nisan 14, Passover) Jesus is crucified at 9 AM, dies at 3 PM, buried before sundown. Thursday Evening (Nisan 15 Begins, Unleavened Bread, High Sabbath) The women buy and prepare spices before the High Sabbath begins. Friday (Nisan 15, High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread) No work allowed; the women rest. Saturday (Nisan 16, Weekly Sabbath) No work allowed; the women rest again. Sunday (Nisan 17, Firstfruits) Jesus resurrects at dawn; the women find the empty tomb. What This Resolves: Three days and three nights are fully accounted for (Thursday night → Sunday morning). The plural "Sabbaths" in Matthew 28:1 is explained (High Sabbath Friday, Weekly Sabbath Saturday). The women's timeline makes sense (they bought spices after burial, then rested). Firstfruits is correctly fulfilled on Sunday, Nisan 17, aligning with Jesus' resurrection. Final Conclusion: - This timeline matches all Biblical evidence, including: - The women buying spices before the Sabbath (Mark 16:1). - The two Sabbaths (Matthew 28:1, Greek plural Sabbaton). - The three days and three nights prophecy (Matthew 12:40). - The Passover-Firstfruits fulfillment (Leviticus 23:10-11, 1 Corinthians 15:20). - If 15 Nisan was Saturday and 16 Nisan was Firstfruits (Sunday), the timeline would break. - This confirms that Nisan 15 was Friday and Nisan 17 (Firstfruits) was Sunday.

There are no advantages to this view over my position that 15 Nisan was a Saturday, and so counted as both Unleavened Bread and the standard weekly Sabbath in one day. As you say, there's no limit to what day 14 Nisan could be, so there's no limit to when 15 Nisan could be as well. So nothing prevented 14 Nisan from being Friday, and nothing prevented 15 Nisan from being Saturday. And when 14 Nisan is a Friday, First Fruits is still going to be the next Sunday after the first Sabbath after Passover, which means 16 Nisan.

Besides, the "three full days" in the tomb ("This must be taken literally, meaning three full days and nights must be accounted for" [emphasis yours]), which is, along with three nights in the tomb, the only substantive putative advantage to your view, isn't satisfied under either of these positions, your view or my position. If He was taken down off the cross on Thursday and buried before twilight (your view), that's not a "full" day in the tomb. So that breaks both of our positions equally, it cuts both ways. Whatever your solution is to that, is also mine. I preemptively claim it.

The question we're really trying to answer here is whether Good Friday was really Good Thursday, or whether Palm Sunday was really Palm Monday, as far as I can tell. It doesn't seem we can have both Palm Sunday and Good Friday, and have the timeline work out.

 

[rstrats]

There were two Sabbaths but the first one was the night in which He was betrayed, Thursday evening,

What part of the calendar day are you calling Thursday evening?

 

[JudgeRightly]

There are no advantages to this view over my position that 15 Nisan was a Saturday, and so counted as both Unleavened Bread and the standard weekly Sabbath in one day. As you say, there's no limit to what day 14 Nisan could be, so there's no limit to when 15 Nisan could be as well. So nothing prevented 14 Nisan from being Friday, and nothing prevented 15 Nisan from being Saturday. And when 14 Nisan is a Friday, First Fruits is still going to be the next Sunday after the first Sabbath after Passover, which means 16 Nisan.

The problem with Jesus being crucified on Friday is that it makes Jesus out to be a liar.

I'd call that a pretty significant advantage for my view that He was crucified on Thursday, which resolves that problem.

Also, having Unleavened Bread on Friday fits the fact that in at least three verses related to the timeline of His crucifixion, the PLURAL for Sabbath is used, indicating multiple days being rest days, and not just one. The other verses that use the singular could just as easily be talking about the High Sabbath, or at the very least, they don't preclude the possibility of there being two Sabbath days.

Besides, the "three full days" in the tomb ("This must be taken literally, meaning three full days and nights must be accounted for" [emphasis yours]), which is, along with three nights in the tomb, the only substantive putative advantage to your view, isn't satisfied under either of these positions, your view or my position.

Thanks for catching that discrepancy from ChatGPT.

Here is what I told it (copy/pasted straight from the conversation just now) after it started to output some major contradictions to the Bible:

I think something's gone wrong. Let's clarify the facts again: 1. The day Jesus was crucified was the day the women bought spices for His body, which they purchased shortly after his burial, and they then observed at least one Sabbath day. 2. 14 Nisan is Passover, regardless of what day it falls upon. 3. 15 Nisan is Unleavened Bread, regardless of what day it falls upon. It is a High Sabbath according to the Feasts Calendar in Leviticus 23. 4. Firstfruits is always the first day after a Sabbath. 5. Jesus said He would be in the grave for "three days and three nights. 6. Jesus was crucified at around 9 am on the day of Passover, not Unleavened Bread, and was dead by about 3 pm the same day. He was then taken down, his body wrapped, and then placed in the tomb nearby. 7. In the Greek texts, the plural "Sabbaton" is used in several key verses related to the crucifixion, indicating there were multiple Sabbath days. Did I miss anything?

I am not the one that said "must be taken literally," thus "three full days and nights."

So yes, that would be incorrect.

What I said was quoting Jesus.

HE is the one who said He would be in the tomb for three days and three nights, but He did not necessarily specify the full three days and three nights.

ChatGPT quoted what I said, but then must have thought that it must mean the full three days/nights, which would indeed render my view wrong as well, and would, as far as I can tell, make it an impossible event since there isn't any way to have three days and three nights between 3 pm on any day and before dawn on First Fruits.

But 1 Corinthians 15:4 has Paul telling us that He rose "ON the third day," not "after three days."

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 - New King James Version

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. After that He was seen by over...

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Remember, a day according to the feast calendar does not start with dawn or at midnight, but at evening, with darkness.

This means that at least 2 full 24-hour periods are necessary, but a third full 24-hour period is not.

On my view, Jesus was placed in the tomb by around 6 pm on Thursday. To 6 pm on Friday is one. To 6 pm on Saturday is two. To 6 AM on Sunday is a two and a half, which fits "on the third day" very nicely. Sunday is ALWAYS First Fruits, since its always the first day after the Sabbath. Jesus rose on Firstfruits, as Paul said:

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15:20 - New King James Version

The Last Enemy Destroyed - But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

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If He was taken down off the cross on Thursday and buried before twilight (your view), that's not a "full" day in the tomb. So that breaks both of our positions equally, it cuts both ways. Whatever your solution is to that, is also mine. I preemptively claim it.

Sorry, that's not how this works, since it would be incompatible with your view that Christ died on a Friday, and the fact that Jesus rose on the first day of the week:

Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 28:1 - New King James Version

He Is Risen - Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

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(This verse, by the way, uses the plural "SABBATON" indicating there was more than one Sabbath day that this was after.)

Like I said, there simply isn't enough time between Friday afternoon and Sunday at dawn for Jesus to have been in the tomb for "three days and three nights" OR for Him to have risen "ON the third day."

Even if my position is incorrect (and I'm not conceding that it is), your position is untenable.

The question we're really trying to answer here is whether Good Friday was really Good Thursday,

This is the only correct answer.

or whether Palm Sunday was really Palm Monday, as far as I can tell.

Monday being the first day of the week is a secular attempt to put God's day of the week (at least, according to Christian tradition) last, instead of at the beginning of the week. But Sunday has ALWAYS been the first day of the week. Don't let modern ideas corrupt your interpretation if the Bible.

It doesn't seem we can have both Palm Sunday and Good Friday, and have the timeline work out.

Correct. And since scripture clearly says He rose on the first day of the week, and that firstfruits is on the first day after the Sabbath, and that Jesus was the firstfruits of the dead, I think it's safe to say Jesus definitely rose on Sunday morning.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I forgot to address this when you said it, but it doesn't seem like you are likely to hold to this view anymore, soon, so this is mostly just for the purpose of educating the reader.

There were two Sabbaths but the first one was the night in which He was betrayed,

This doesn't make any sense at all, since Jews were not allowed to travel on Sabbath days. Leaving the house they were at, judas going to go get the authorities, and the rest traveling to the garden, and then going to the place where Jesus was being interrogated, then fleeing, all violates the Sabbath commandment!

Thus, everything from the Last Supper to Christ's death on the cross had to have occurred BEFORE any sabbath day or days.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Oh, I am JR. I would like to learn the truth with regard to when the Lord's Supper took place - at the beginning of the calendar day or during the afternoon of the calendar day.

In modern terms, the Last Supper was Wednesday night.

In Feast Calendar terms (Leviticus 23), the Last Supper was at the beginning of 14 Nisan, Passover. The evening. By morning, Jesus had been betrayed and interrogated, Peter had denied Christ three times, then some time around dawn Pilate brought Jesus out and asked for the Jews to choose between Him or Barabbas, then washed his hands of the matter and turned him over to Herod. By 9 am Thursday morning (still 14 Nisan), Jesus was on the cross, and died around 3 pm. His body was taken down, briefly prepared, and by 6 PM His body was laid in the tomb, and by sundown, the women had bought spices for after the coming Sabbath days and then rested. Roughly 2.5 days later ("on the third day") Jesus rose and the stone was rolled away, and the Marys found the tomb empty.

 

[rstrats]

In modern terms, the Last Supper was Wednesday night.

If by "in modern terms" you mean a midnight to midnight calendar day, on which night did the Lord's Supper take place - during the first night of Wednesday or during the second night of Wednesday?