The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.

[JudgeRightly]

Faith can move mountains, and it moved the Lord to help one of the non-Israelites.
He didn't wait for Paul to meet her.
God sent Peter to the Roman Cornelius before Paul.
Philip ministered to the Ethiopian and the Samarians before Paul.
Peter and John followed shortly afterwards.
Jesus was not a one-nation Savior.

Ignoring what I say won't make it go away, hoping.

Nor will ignoring what Jesus said make the problems with your beliefs go away.

Jesus' words were EXPLICIT: "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the House of Israel."

Just because a few Gentiles were ministered to along the way doesn't change that fact.

Ripping things out of their context is NOT a valid way of studying the Bible.

 

[Idolater]

Jesus knew He was coming to more than just the Jews/Israelites.

Matthew 12:17, 21
" That it might be fulfilled ... 'And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.'"

 

[Tambora]

Jesus knew He was coming to more than just the Jews/Israelites.

Matthew 12:17, 21
" That it might be fulfilled ... 'And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.'"

Amen.

Just as the pattern of the seed of Abraham & Sarah was to be of many nations and kings.

 

[Rhema]

Agreed, which is why it's important to read the ENTIRE context of a passage, to understand what's going on.

And yet you left out verse 28. So unless there is a deeper truth to your "context" then Jesus violated his own rules.

Merely quoting verse 28 doesn't help your point.

Failing to address verse 28 obliterates your point.

Go read post #48. Please explain why Jesus did what He did throughout the entire passage, rather than just quoting a single verse out of context as if that's all that's needed (because, hint hint, it's not).

Unlike yourself, I am not going to attempt to read Jesus' mind and invent hidden intents and motivations. Suffice it to say, we have the ending and a clear declaration:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

(Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)​

Rhema

 

[Right Divider]

Amen.

Just as the pattern of the seed of Abraham & Sarah was to be of many nations and kings.

Again, you mention one aspect of Abraham's lineage and ignore the other.

Gen 12:1-3 (AKJV/PCE)
(12:1) Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: (12:2) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: (12:3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Abraham is BOTH to father of many nations AND the father of A great nation.

When Christ establishes His kingdom and purges all nations, then all nations will bless Israel and Israel will bless all nations.

Rev 21:24-27 (AKJV/PCE)
(21:24) And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. (21:25) And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. (21:26) And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. (21:27) And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Rhema]

Jesus' words were EXPLICIT: "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the House of Israel."

Jesus' words were EXPLICIT::Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them..."

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

(Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)​

You have taken a single comment, within a specific time frame of Jesus' ministry and have elevated it to a universal principle, which you then have Jesus violate.

That should tell you something.

Rhema

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus' words were EXPLICIT::Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them..."

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

(Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)​

You have taken a single comment, within a specific time frame of Jesus' ministry and have elevated it to a universal principle, which you then have Jesus violate.

That should tell you something.

Rhema

You are believing what you want to believe. It does seem that way if you ignore every other thing that Jesus said.

John 20:21 (AKJV/PCE)
(20:21) Then said Jesus to them again, Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

Matt 15:24 (AKJV/PCE)
(15:24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jesus gave Paul a different mission.

 

[JudgeRightly]

And yet you left out verse 28. So unless there is a deeper truth to your "context" then Jesus violated his own rules.


Failing to address verse 28 obliterates your point.

LIAR. Go read post #48, where I did, in fact, quote and address 28.

Unlike yourself, I am not going to attempt to read Jesus' mind and invent hidden intents and motivations.

Where did I do such a thing? Either support your accusation, or retract it, because bearing false witness is a sin.

Suffice it to say, we have the ending and a clear declaration:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)

Guess what! They largely ignored that command of His!

 

[Right Divider]

Guess what! They largely ignored that command of His!

And for a valid reason based on further events.

 

[Hoping]

God separated Israel from the other nations. Jesus said that He came only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

I hope you don't think Jesus committed a sin by going outside His main intended audience.

The 12 apostles were all Isrealites.

Simon was from Canaan.

Yes, gentiles could always join with Israel. That was true from way back. But things are different now via the revelation given to Paul. Paul is the apostle of the gentiles.

Now the Gentiles can't?
I prefer to consider the Israeli believers as brothers in Christ, and the Gentiles are one with them.
The unbelieving Israelis are just a country.

 

[Hoping]

@Hoping you didn't answer my question:

Rough guess...1 %.
Just a shot in the light, as who knows how many in the throngs that followed Him were from other lands.

 

[Hoping]

Guess what! They largely ignored that command of His!

I disagree.
Jesus' teachings have circled the globe.

 

[Tambora]

Again, you mention one aspect of Abraham's lineage and ignore the other.

Wrong.

 

[Hoping]

And for a valid reason based on further events.

Any idea where the apostle Philip was killed?
Turkey.
Nathaniel? India.
Simon? Persia.
Thomas? India.
Peter? Rome.
Matthew? Ethiopia.
Matthias? Georgia.
Bartholomew? Armenia.
James the less? Egypt.
They did go unto the known world to spread the good news.

 

[Hoping]

Ignoring what I say won't make it go away, hoping.

Nor will ignoring what Jesus said make the problems with your beliefs go away.

Jesus' words were EXPLICIT: "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the House of Israel."

Just because a few Gentiles were ministered to along the way doesn't change that fact.

Ripping things out of their context is NOT a valid way of studying the Bible.

Thanks be to God that Jesus took some "side trips" on His way to the "House of Israel".
It really showed His love for anyone having faith.

 

[steko]

Thanks be to God that Jesus took some "side trips" on His way to the "House of Israel".
It really showed His love for anyone having faith.

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming (erchomai) in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

This describes the Lord's second coming.
When did He come?
When did it take place?

 

[Right Divider]

I hope you don't think Jesus committed a sin by going outside His main intended audience.

You are completely dishonest. That is sinful.

Simon was from Canaan.

Many Israelite's come from other countries. That does not make them gentiles.

Now the Gentiles can't?

Your confusion is immense.

I prefer to consider the Israeli believers as brothers in Christ, and the Gentiles are one with them.
The unbelieving Israelis are just a country.

You prefer much confusion.

 

[Right Divider]

Any idea where the apostle Philip was killed?
Turkey.
Nathaniel? India.
Simon? Persia.
Thomas? India.
Peter? Rome.
Matthew? Ethiopia.
Matthias? Georgia.
Bartholomew? Armenia.
James the less? Egypt.
They did go unto the known world to spread the good news.

You major in the irrelevant.

Were you unaware of the solemn agreement that these apostles made with Paul?

Gal 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:9) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

And even before that agreement... there's this:
Acts 11:19 (AKJV/PCE)
(11:19) ¶ Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

 

[Right Divider]

Equal?

At first Jesus would not even say ONE WORD to her. Are you blind?

Mercy, love, and grace, were equally distributed in this case.
Like Jesus said in John 10:16..."And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."
Jesus knew He was coming to more than just the Jews/Israelites.

The "sheep of another fold" are NOT gentiles. They are scattered Israelite's.

One instance puts to bed the notion that Jesus ignored other cultures-nations.
He wants all men to be saved.

Indeed He does... but He also chose ONE nation on the earth for His own.

 

[Right Divider]

Wrong.

Did I miss it somewhere?