annabenedetti
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Exactly. You've just made my argument for me.
That's right, it isn't. Get and or keep your kids out of the public school system and if they are in the system, write them out of sex ed classes.
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Exactly. You've just made my argument for me.
That's right, it isn't. Get and or keep your kids out of the public school system and if they are in the system, write them out of sex ed classes.
annabenedetti
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I was just thinking about those threads this morning, and the TOLers using the reasoning that Mary was likely only 12 years old to advocate for marrying off minor girls. I don't think any of those threads made it past the purges.
annabenedetti
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Right. The very *civil legal system* you're complaining about. Nobody's pretending otherwise, marke. Don't play that game.
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Who was suggesting busting down doors in search of homosexual acts in progress?
They were an embarrassment… no wonder.
Duh. So your *point* is moot.
ok doser
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There are situations where they are not enforced at least in New York state.
In New York state if a child is examined in a medical setting like an emergency room and there is evidence of sexual abuse it's a state law that it must be reported regardless of the desire of the child or the parent. Similarly if a teacher sees evidence of abuse of any kind they are also required to report it.
But that same child, regardless of age, can go to Planned Parenthood, with the most definitive evidence of sexual abuse imaginable, get an abortion without her parents' consent or having been informed, and the facilitators of the abortion are not required to report the incident of sexual abuse.
annabenedetti
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This isn't one of those threads but the subject matter is the same. Some of the advocates for early marriage are in the thread, but not all of them.
Should It Be Lawful For Minors To Be Married With Parental Consent?
As aCW is squirming around the question on his own thread and coming up with ever more elaborate and goofball ways to deflect away from it I thought I'd branch it out here. This isn't just about Phil Robertson's notorious comments about getting girls at 15/16 before they pick pockets at 20...
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My kids all attended our Christian school and several of their kids have also attended and some have already graduated.
Nevertheless, I will voice my disapproval of sexual exploitation and perversion of kids in American public schools because I am an American.
ok doser
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I was a junior in high school at 16, and while I was not mature enough to have been successful at marriage I knew fellow students who were, both male and female.
Similarly I knew young women in the urban schools that I taught in who were thrust into roles of responsiblity at a young age for families that their mothers couldn't provide for and their fathers had abandoned. I believe they would have been successful in a marriage at 15 or 16.
And for much the same reason, young Amish women.
They were trained for the role. At 15 or 16 they had the training and the experience to take on the role, to keep a household, to care for children.
There are also laws criminalizing homosexual perversion still on the books.
PureX
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Yeah, there's not much point in responding to comments like that. (So what?)
PureX
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That wasn't what I wrote.
What I wrote was that we understand that we CAN always be wrong, even when we think and feel that we're right. Because we understand that we're not infallible. And we know this because we have often discovered that we were wrong about things in the past that we had been convinced at the time that we were right about.
Sorry, friend, but you really need to read more carefully.
Here is what I wrote: "They (not you) become a human; one among many, as opposed to imagining themselves to be some sort of infallible demigod, lording their imagined righteousness over everyone they encounter." I did not say or imply that anyone is less than human. I said that some people seem to think they are more than human: they seem to think they are semi-divine.
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No, it isn't.
As you stated, it's against the law. No school teacher is sexually propositioning any kids regardless of their or the kids gender, because it is illegal. And if it does happen, the kids, or anyone that knows of it (including you) should report it to law enforcement. They would be investigated and prosecuted for it. Law enforcement takes that sort of thing seriously. And so do most school administrators.
You should have told someone when you were a kid that you were being propositioned. You should tell your kids to speak up if anyone ever sexually propositions them, too. Sitting around imagining some evil hoard of pedophilic homosexuals has taken over the democrat party and the public schools and whatever else is just insanity. And it solves nothing. If you actually KNOW of any instances of adults sexually propositioning kids you should report it to the police, immediately. They will investigate it, and even if it can't be prosecuted, you have shown a light on it and the pedophile in question will be under scrutiny in the future.
Big whoop. So did I. So did MY three children. Pssstttt …. those teachers and students were without halos …
I know that's what you were doing. My point is precisely that.
In short, you need to adjust yourself. Paul explicitly states that homosexual deserve death.
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
You need to watch this video. Trust me, you'll like it and agree with it..
God HIMSELF said...
Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
WAS GOD WRONG?
Answer the question!
No one is pretending to speak for God. That's why there's a bible. You don't believe the bible is God's word but I know that it is for a fact. Rigtheousness is NOT a matter of opinion. Something is either righteous, evil or amoral. If you (i.e. anyone) believe something immoral is righteous then you are wrong - period.
Well we certainly won't get anywhere if you drop out of the conversation.
Only if you break the rules.
Do you plan on breaking the rules if we continue?
Probably not.
Supra.
Of course not.
Adults shouldn't proposition or mess with kids.
Happy?
Leaving something out doesn't mean that he supports it. It just means he (or anyone, for that matter) is focusing on something else that's more important.
That's the clincher, isn't it?
Parents (especially mothers) of two generations ago were taught that it's ok (and to be clear, there's nothing inherently wrong with it) for women to enter to workforce, and are even encouraged to do so.
But that means that they weren't at home raising their children, especially their daughters, teaching them valuable lessons in maturity and particularly on how to be a good parent, so that by the time they reach graduation, they know little to nothing about raising children.
Those daughters now have children of their own, and while they've tried to be good parents, without the foundations that should have been provided by their mothers, they aren't the best parents they can be. And so they go to work, maybe have a few romps in the bed with a guy they like, and now she's pregnant and not married, and now has to work extra hard to support not only herself, but her child(ren) as well, and sends them off to some stranger to teach them in her place.
And now, those children are currently at this very moment going through high school, having sex with sometimes multiple guys throughout her high school life, drops out of school because her parent (singular) can't afford to put her through classes, being a bad example to her children, with no one to support her.
That's the state of the US right now, and probably most first-world nations.
And that's all before considering government welfare programs, and the psychological effects of no father figures in their life, and let's not forget the homos and trannies and pedophiles pushing their agenda into the schools these days.
All because the women of two generations ago didn't bother training up their daughters to be good mothers, and to seek a husband to take care of them.
What makes you so sure you're the one in the right on this? Are you not also included in that "we"? Or do you just exclude yourself because you must be right, there's no possibility for you to be wrong?
You apparently don't.
What have you discovered that you were wrong about in the past that you were convinced you were right about?
NO ONE here is claiming (or imagining) themselves to be some sort of infallible demigod.
It's a straw man on your part to even make such a statement in this conversation.
What if you're wrong that it's "imagined"?
What if it's ACTUALLY righteousness that we're promoting? Wouldn't that mean you're going against what is righteous?
Calling a human being anything other than a human being is, by definition, calling them less than human.
Pretty sure no one in here thinks that.
Do you live under a rock, or something?
See my last post to Arty.
Just because something is against the law doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
I'm just going to let you Google "Teacher arrested for sex with student" on that one, because it's blatantly false.
Again, just because something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
They should, but they don't, for various reasons, like fear of standing out, of repercussions, of nothing being done.
Only when they're caught. Most of the time it's swept under the rug or ignored.
My children (if I ever have any) will be homeschooled. They will never have to worry about any of this.
We're not imagining it. Just read/watch the news.
You sure about that?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
When I participated on the feminist group on Facebook I would often remind them of the feminist saying from the seventies - a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. And then when they would rail against young men being raised to be misogynists and rapists, I would always blame only the mother. "These young men in college are all rapists" they would say. "There is a rape culture!" they would say.
And I would say back "Their mothers raised them to be rapists. Every single young man who rapes was raised by his mother to be a rapist"