31 Reasons To Reject The Jab

Stone Mason

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Marke - I'm very happy to hear that you recovered from Covid-19. That is the normal case for 99 out of 100 people. And as a benefit your immune system likely is even stronger than people that got the vaccines. But, 1 person out of 100 is not so blessed, and a few more get long Covid which is life debilitating. God protects us, but we have to do our part too. For instance if a person stops eating and their capability to eat/drink is not compromised, and food is plentiful, they should not expect that God will protect them from dying of starvation. Its the same with these vaccines, if a person had Covid and recovers, then they don't need to do anything with vaccines, but if they haven't, then should they expect God to intervene if they get Covid?
 

marke

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Marke - I'm very happy to hear that you recovered from Covid-19. That is the normal case for 99 out of 100 people. And as a benefit your immune system likely is even stronger than people that got the vaccines. But, 1 person out of 100 is not so blessed, and a few more get long Covid which is life debilitating. God protects us, but we have to do our part too. For instance if a person stops eating and their capability to eat/drink is not compromised, and food is plentiful, they should not expect that God will protect them from dying of starvation. Its the same with these vaccines, if a person had Covid and recovers, then they don't need to do anything with vaccines, but if they haven't, then should they expect God to intervene if they get Covid?
I got seriously depressed 20 years ago even though I had been a Christian for years. I was facing so many trials and troubles that I prayed for the Lord to take me home. During that time I spent a great deal of time praying to God for deliverance and begging Him for relief. The trials lasted several years with varying degrees of relief, but I began to see the goodness of the Lord in those trials and in the end was blessed with a peace with God that caused me not to care what circumstances I faced, whether in sickness or in health, whether in poverty or in wealth, just like we claim in our marriage vows to our spouse.

It does not matter to me if I get sick and die or don't. That is God's business and I am happy to leave that up to Him.

Psalm 145:8
The Lord is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy.

James 5:11
Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
 

Yorzhik

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Lets put it another way, must put the person you love the most on a airplane flight. You can choose one that has a 1 in 100 chance of crashing and killing you, or one that has a 1 in 100,000 chance of crashing. Which one are you going to choose for your loved one?
That's it? There are no other factors in play? Because as you list it here, anyone that would choose the 1-in-100 flight would be criminally negligent. You'll have to punish those criminals after you hunt them down, or if you don't help the authorities with information on these fugitives, you'll be aiding and abetting. So are you doing your part or are you just as guilty of killing grandma as you are claiming here?

And if you are doing your part, what should the punishment be for these people? Life in prison? Death? Seize them, hold them down, and inject them against their will?

All that just to get clarification. I don't know if you thought through what you just said or if you are a monster at heart.
 

marke

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You seem to downplay the fact that vaccinations can save the whole human race from contagious diseases.
You say vaccinations can save the whole human race from contagious diseases. Maybe some vaccines come closer to doing that than others but the covid vaccines clearly cause sicknesses and deaths that make them untrustworthy and unnecessary in efforts to wipe out covid.
 

marke

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You seem to downplay the fact that vaccinations can save the whole human race from contagious diseases.
Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country at 99.9%, yet people are still getting covid and dying. Grand Isle County, VT, has the highest vaccinated population percentage in the state with 79% vaccinated. The covid infection rate in Grand Isle County currently sits at 0. Chittenden County Vermont has one of the highest infection rates in the state at 1.02, while the percent rate of vaccinated residents is 78%.

What does that mean? In Vermont, vaccination rates have little effect on how contagious a person is or how likely a person is to spread the virus to others.
 

Stone Mason

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That's it? There are no other factors in play? Because as you list it here, anyone that would choose the 1-in-100 flight would be criminally negligent. You'll have to punish those criminals after you hunt them down, or if you don't help the authorities with information on these fugitives, you'll be aiding and abetting. So are you doing your part or are you just as guilty of killing grandma as you are claiming here?

And if you are doing your part, what should the punishment be for these people? Life in prison? Death? Seize them, hold them down, and inject them against their will?

All that just to get clarification. I don't know if you thought through what you just said or if you are a monster at heart.
Yorzhik - Yes, that is it. No extra factors are in play. You understood the basic analogy correctly. In both cases, there is a risk of death, but it would be irresponsible, and possibly even evil, to choose the option where death is 1000 times greater.

In terms of your comment about punishment. You have taken the analogy in a different direction from my original context, but that is ok. It is worth exploring too, so lets look at it.

Punishment implies being in a position of Authority to punish. Reasonably this is whatever Government rules the country that you live in. The government has a responsibility to its people to prevent the spread of any life debilitating communicable disease. That is why everyone is required to get their vaccinations in order to attend public school in the USA.

To what degree should a government be involved in coercing its population to become vaccinated? With Covid-19, too many people are relying upon social media for information. We know that social media is rife with flawed logic, and sometimes outright lies. People that rely on social media instead of experts may choose to not get vaccinated. My preference would be that the government would send via email and postal mail a letter to every household with the best information about the vaccines, as well as provide links for more scientifically vetted information for those people who want to go deeper into the science, so that they can make the best possible informed decision. If they still, having been informed, want to not get vaccinated, that is their right. Just as it is the right for the government to quarantine them, if necessary, in order to protect the rest of their population who have a right to not be infected by that quarantined person. Its a lot like paying taxes. You can think that you should not have to pay them, but the government has a right to lock you up if you don't, because by not doing your part, you are burdening everyone else, which is not fair to them.
 

Stone Mason

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Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country at 99.9%, yet people are still getting covid and dying. Grand Isle County, VT, has the highest vaccinated population percentage in the state with 79% vaccinated. ...
Vermont's population is 648,560. 99.9% vaccinated means 648 people in Vermont are unvaccinated = Grand Isle County Vermont's population is 7,485. if 79% is Vaccinated means 1,572 people are unvaccinated in the County in Vermont, which is over 2x the amount for the full state per your statement. You need to check you math.
 

marke

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Vermont's population is 648,560. 99.9% vaccinated means 648 people in Vermont are unvaccinated = Grand Isle County Vermont's population is 7,485. if 79% is Vaccinated means 1,572 people are unvaccinated in the County in Vermont, which is over 2x the amount for the full state per your statement. You need to check you math.
I may have messed up so let me post again what was reported. Among Vermont residents aged 65 and older 99.9% are vaccinated.

Numbers of covid infections in Vermont are listed here:

Vermont

Total Cases And Weekly Trends, By State And Territory​

Totals as of 3:21 a.m. ET on Sept. 30. Daily averages as of September 26.​

AVG. NEW CASES/DAY

STATE - VERMONT
3 weeks ago - 146
2 weeks ago - 160
Last week - 217
This week - 200
CASES - 33,438
DEATHS - 317


Rest homes: Total cases:

https://www.healthvermont.gov/covid-19/current-activity/covid-19-communities

FACILITY NAMECUMULATIVE COVID-19 CASES
Vermont Veterans Home18
Mansfield Place20
Vernon Green Nursing Home30
Vernon Hall Assisted Living13
Green Mountain Nursing and Rehab37
Centers for Living & Rehabilitation22
St. Joseph Kervick Residence7
Long Term Care Facility A7
Long Term Care Facility B6
Equinox Terrace17
Gill Odd Fellows HomeNot Shown


That is 177 total cases of covid in rest homes, out of 200 total cases in the state. When we add the total cases reported in schools we have a total of 321 cases out of 200 cases statewide. I can see why our math is not adding up. Nevertheless, 177 total cases in rest homes where 99.9% are vaccinated should send a message to those who are paying attention to the data.


Cases in Vermont K-12 Learning Communities While Infectious Learning Community Schools with less than 25 students are reported in the “Total for all Suppressed Schools” row at the end of the table. Cases Reported in the Past 7 Days Total Cases TOTAL FOR ALL SCHOOLS 144 in last 7 days.

 

Jefferson

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Jefferson - The odds are 1 in 100 that you would die from Covid-19 if you catch it, and maybe 1 in 6 that it will nuke your body with long haul Covid. The odds that you would would get Long haul Covid if vaccinated is about 1/2. bit dying goes to about 1 in 1000. Taking the vaccine gives you about a 1 in 100,000 changes of dying from some kind of problem. It is all a gamble but statistically you are 1,000 times more likely to live if you get the vaccine and are exposed to Covid 19. There are always going to be people that fall into the unfortunate category of getting the vaccine and dying of Covid. Its just the way statistics with billions of data points works.

Lets put it another way, must put the person you love the most on a airplane flight. You can choose one that has a 1 in 100 chance of crashing and killing you, or one that has a 1 in 100,000 chance of crashing. Which one are you going to choose for your loved one?
Jeff, it still comes down to my body my choice. BTW, how have you been?
 

Stone Mason

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Jeff, it still comes down to my body my choice. BTW, how have you been?
Hi Jeff, - Doing good, Parents not so good. I hope you are doing excellent these days.

In terms of your body, your choice. 100% agree for any adult without a significant mental impairment, like the vast majority of people rejecting the vaccine. But on the flip side, the Government has an obligation to protect its population, so they can implement restrictions on people that don't follow their recommended health guidelines.
 

Rusha

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Yes, that is the pro-abortion slogan.
GMTA. There is an irony in demanding one’s own bodily autonomy while denying it of others.

I guess the children and their parents who die of the trump virus don’t count insofar as protecting families…
 
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