The coronavirus scam

[marke]

You made a claim, the burden of proof is on you.

I have proven it. Did you not read my posts?

 

[marke]

They've debunked the video in question in absolute and resolute detail. Else, supply an in depth explanation point by point as to how they haven't.

My first point is that nobody you quoted offered any scientific evidence in an apparent effort to try to effectively persuade their readers that the video prepared by the medical doctor was scientifically unsound.

 

[marke]

No, you don't. A lot of the time you go on irrelevant diatribes about "leftists" and you've made a claim about Fauci that you haven't come close to substantiating. Where is your evidence that Fauci helped to invent Covid as you claim?

Let me review. Dr. Fauci funded gain-of-function genetic research on bat viruses at the Wuhan lab. That much is a fact. Debunk that fact and we can add further evidence and further discussion.

 

[marke]

What is obvious is the misleading nature of the poster's original post - he (or she) posted a graph showing case numbers skyrocketing in Thailand and concluded masks don't work. Well, if you look at the whole picture, you see that testing also skyrocketed at the same time. This does not prove that masks work, but it exposes the misleading nature of the original post.

What we should all learn from this is that increased testing does not mean the danger of infections is increasing. That is why I totally condemn stupid or dishonest democrats for manipulating the evidence in efforts to prolong their unnecessary, oppressive, fascist grip on the country, claiming increased restrictions were necessary to combat rising numbers of infections.

 

[marke]

First, your highly rhetorical demonizing of those who disagree with you certainly does not help your case - while it might make you feel good to toss out such barbs, and while your creationist friends will no doubt be heartened thereby, any serious, neutral reader will see it for what it is - a ploy of desperation; after all, were the evidence really in your favor, what need would there be for such rhetoric?

Did you see Einstein demonizing those who disagreed with him. Or Newton? Or Hawking. Of course not, serious debate should be expunged of such nonsense and its presence is a red flag that someone has found themselves in a corner from which their only hope of escape is a reason-impoverished appeal to base emotion.

Do I toss out nasty-isms? Yes, I do. But I trust it is clear that none of that stuff is intended to be part of any serious argument for any position that I happen to hold.

But my main point is this: like vaccines, people like you and me are simply not remotely qualified to independently evaluate the evidence for a young earth or for an old earth. So we have no choice but to rely on experts. Now the fact that one expert - Paul Giem from your article - has presented a case for a young earth needs to be understood in context - the overwhelming consensus of qualified experts is that the earth is very old.

You are effectively cherry-picking.

A neutral reader has to decide between the overwhelming consensus and the views of a tiny minority. Now which choice seems more reasonable?

If a qualified medical doctor should not be believed because he does not parrot questionable leftist assumptions, then who should we believe? Fauci? Al Gore? AOC? Nancy Pelosi?

 

[marke]

You haven't given any evidence that supports your claim that Fauci helped to invent Covid. You can't give more evidence when you've supplied none to start with.

I get the impression you think Fauci never visited the Wuhan lab, never provided US funding for genetic research there, and had no clue what they were doing there until he read about it in the NY Times.

 

[Arthur Brain]

If I gave the impression that dupes who refuse to believe facts and evidence are not convinced their misunderstandings are right and the truth is wrong, then I apologize. I do not believe dupes hooked on error know they are wrong.

You give the 'impression' of someone who makes outlandish claims and when pushed for evidence dances away with puerile deflection without supplying any. If you have evidence to support your claim that Fauci co-invented Covid-19 then either supply it or stop making the claim.

 

[marke]

Sure I have, this post that debunks Dr Ted Noel's hypothesis that masks don't work for a start and that I invited you to dismantle earlier if you could.

The coronavirus scam

Hmm, maybe I should start buying into conspiracy theories and any ole bunk instead then? Otherwise, I ain't got a problem. That you seem to have a problem with my not having a problem is not my problem. Did you ever buy into the damnable treasonous Trump/Russian collusion conspiracy theory...

theologyonline.com

Ironically, the only thing Dr Noel succeeded in was confirming how masks actually do work, not by stopping aerosols or smaller particles from getting through them but by how they reduce the amount of particles being expelled at the front and the speed and distance at which they travel. Masks were not designed to stop smaller particles altogether otherwise you wouldn't be able to breathe while wearing them.

So, do explain how the experts who took this apart in varying details are wrong. The floor is yours.

That may seem a rebuke to Dr. Noel's claim, but it is not. How does claiming masks work minimally justify as a rebuke to a video presentation proving masks work minimally?

 

[marke]

How has "serious disciplined academic rigour" got anything to do with a "leftist narrative"?

Hint: It hasn't.

Idiots and buffoons think only biased leftists are serious scientists and any researcher or expert who disagrees with leftist narratives is a quack. That is not science talking, that is the bias and possibly the beer talking.

 

[marke]

You give the 'impression' of someone who makes outlandish claims and when pushed for evidence dances away with puerile deflection without supplying any. If you have evidence to support your claim that Fauci co-invented Covid-19 then either supply it or stop making the claim.

Let's calm down and discuss this like civilized Christians instead of wild savage barbarians. Do you believe Fauci channelled US money to the Wuhan lab during the time the Chinese were doing genetic research on dangerous bat viruses there?

 

[Arthur Brain]

So, the alternative witness claims the evidence presented in the Dr.'s mask video is "very questionable." At least the alternative witness did not say the conclusions were "absolutely false and I will show why."


The alternative witness claims that particles do go through masks, but that masks normally keep particles from traveling too far, whatever that means.

Shutdowns rob people of freedom, rights, income, and choices in their own decision-making. Shutdowns are thought to prevent the spread of covid but have never been scientifically proven beyond doubt to stop the spread of covid. As shutdowns became more widespread, so did the deaths from covid. That does not give strong support to assumptions that shutdowns of entire economies are to be desired over other experimental methods.

So, another alternate witness says masks are not meant to prevent covid from escaping from the mouth to others but meant to force those covid particles back inside the wearer's own lungs. How comforting, even though we see particles escaping from the masks which do not return to the wearer, undermining what the alternate witness seems to be trying to say.

Another alternate witness claims covid particles are droplets, not fine particles in aerosol mists, but the alternate witness provides no research documentation of his claims.

What do you mean by "whatever that means"? It's simple enough to understand. Masks stop aerosols and smaller air particles from travelling forward both in terms of distance and speed.

Shutdowns are irrelevant to this post so you haven't addressed anything with that. Separate topic.

The "alternate witness" didn't say any such thing as regarding masks forcing covid particles back into the wearer's own lungs, how are you even construing that from what was said? When masks are used air is still obviously expelled, just not all out of the front but to the sides and the back.

Where did this other expert, sorry - "alternate witness" claim covid particles are droplets, not fine particles in aerosol mists exactly?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Idiots and buffoons think only biased leftists are serious scientists and any researcher or expert who disagrees with leftist narratives is a quack. That is not science talking, that is the bias and possibly the beer talking.

Well, that was irrelevant to anything I posited (again)...

 

[Arthur Brain]

Let's calm down and discuss this like civilized Christians instead of wild savage barbarians. Do you believe Fauci channelled US money to the Wuhan lab during the time the Chinese were doing genetic research on dangerous bat viruses there?

Well, I wasn't discussing the issue like anything as you describe anyway and no, it's another conspiracy theory in want of support.

Fact-check: Did Dr. Fauci fund research that created COVID-19?

Conspiracy theories continue to spread about a virology lab in Wuhan, China, which has drawn scrutiny throughout the pandemic. One claim about the lab comes from conservative news site WorldNetDaily, which tried to connect Dr. Anthony Fauci to the origin of the coronavirus.

eu.statesman.com

 

[ok doser]

Texas and Mississippi mock you mask wearing morons

 

[Arthur Brain]

I have proven it. Did you not read my posts?

Yeah, I've just proven that there's a unicorn on the roof simply by asserting it.

 

[way 2 go]

Ironically, the only thing Dr Noel succeeded in was confirming how masks actually do work, not by stopping aerosols or smaller particles from getting through them but by how they reduce the amount of particles being expelled at the front and the speed and distance at which they travel. Masks were not designed to stop smaller particles altogether otherwise you wouldn't be able to breathe while wearing them.

So, do explain how the experts who took this apart in varying details are wrong. The floor is yours.

those wuflu virus are the ones small enough to get through the mask and float around

CDC study: 70 percent of covid infected patients reported ‘always’ wearing a mask

 

[marke]

Yeah, I've just proven that there's a unicorn on the roof simply by asserting it.

I am waiting for someone to try to post evidence that Fauci did not fund virus research at the Wuhan lab with American tax dollars.

 

[marke]

those wuflu virus are the ones small enough to get through the mask and float around

CDC study: 70 percent of covid infected patients reported ‘always’ wearing a mask

If conclusions should be drawn from data then it would be closer to correct to assert that wearing masks is more dangerous than not wearing masks, considering the numbers of those wearing masks who get infected compared with the numbers of the infected who were not wearing masks.

 

[way 2 go]

My first point is that nobody you quoted offered any scientific evidence in an apparent effort to try to effectively persuade their readers that the video prepared by the medical doctor was scientifically unsound.

all I read was ad hominem but that and appeal to authority are all they offer

 

[Arthur Brain]

those wuflu virus are the ones small enough to get through the mask and float around

CDC study: 70 percent of covid infected patients reported ‘always’ wearing a mask

Uh, you don't understand how masks work and the intent of how they work at all do you?

Stick to posting silly gifs.