Is Q-Anon Anti Trump?

Hilltrot

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You'd be better off just debating or citing to links that have a credible foundation in support of your argument.
Naw. I'm just not going to waste time transcribing a well-made argument since you can seem to read past 256 characters.

But here's that video you love again!

 

Arthur Brain

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Naw. I'm just not going to waste time transcribing a well-made argument since you can seem to read past 256 characters.

But here's that video you love again!


Well, I most certainly can read past 256 characters so thanks for that. Additionally though and seriously, why are so many on the right to far right so taken in by this if it's actually anti Trump? What's going on with that? Why are supposedly intelligent people being so easily duped?
 

Hilltrot

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Well, I most certainly can read past 256 characters so thanks for that. Additionally though and seriously, why are so many on the right to far right so taken in by this if it's actually anti Trump? What's going on with that? Why are supposedly intelligent people being so easily duped?
Because a lot of people on the right and far right are complete morons.
 

Arthur Brain

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How often have I not been blunt?

Eh, will give ya that to an extent, but as with my edited above, why do you suppose that is? You talk about videos sailing over "leftists" heads but here you are saying that a lot of people on the right are morons. Care to expand?
 

Hilltrot

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Eh, will give ya that to an extent, but as with my edited above, why do you suppose that is? You talk about videos sailing over "leftists" heads but here you are saying that a lot of people on the right are morons. Care to expand?
Most people are morons. They vote based on what news they have been watching or reading and who they hang around. Even I am a moron at times. Didn't you know I voted for Obama 4 times in 2008 and 2 times in 2012?
 
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Hilltrot

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Most people are morons. They vote based on what news they have been watching or reading and who they hang around. Even I am a moron at times. Didn't you know I voted for Obama 4 times in 2008 and 2 times in 2012?
Oh, I also voted for Hillary once in 2008.
 

Arthur Brain

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Most people are morons. They vote based on what news they have been watching or reading and who they hang around. Even I am a moron at times. Didn't you know I voted for Obama 4 times in 2008 and 2 times in 2012?

We can all be morons at times, myself included and then some. But to be duped by an absolute bat crazy conspiracy site? Continually? It's one thing to vote for a politician and then have a change. It's another altogether to become swirled into a cult and that's what the MAGA phenomenon was and is. Q-Anon played a huge part in that. It was never anti Trump even if it's ironically become part of his downfall.
 

Hilltrot

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We can all be morons at times, myself included and then some. But to be duped by an absolute bat crazy conspiracy site? Continually? It's one thing to vote for a politician and then have a change. It's another altogether to become swirled into a cult and that's what the MAGA phenomenon was and is. Q-Anon played a huge part in that. It was never anti Trump even if it's ironically become part of his downfall.
There are some people who are morons occasionally and there are are morons all the time. I have a Grandma who is duped by CNN 24/7.

People tend to watch and read what they want to believe. You're a good example of that. You think MAGA is a cult because that is what you want to believe. You then reinforce that by only reading and watching what you want to believe. Q-Anon was never part of MAGA. Q-Anon was a fringe element and always was. This is even clear with the protest in Washington. The raid on the Capital occurred while Trump was speaking and no one in the MAGA movement would have gone all the way the D.C. just to miss one of Trump's last speeches. Q-Anon is separate from MAGA.
 

Arthur Brain

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There are some people who are morons occasionally and there are are morons all the time. I have a Grandma who is duped by CNN 24/7.

People tend to watch and read what they want to believe. You're a good example of that. You think MAGA is a cult because that is what you want to believe. You then reinforce that by only reading and watching what you want to believe. Q-Anon was never part of MAGA. Q-Anon was a fringe element and always was. This is even clear with the protest in Washington. The raid on the Capital occurred while Trump was speaking and no one in the MAGA movement would have gone all the way the D.C. just to miss one of Trump's last speeches. Q-Anon is separate from MAGA.

Eh, I'd sooner MAGA didn't even exist along with Q-Anon so that doesn't work HT. I didn't invent either of those phenomenons but they exist and as perplexing as it is they still do. You never seen folk with the "Q" insignia on their chests at Trump rallies? They're intertwined along with Covid-19 deniers.
 

Hilltrot

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You never seen folk with the "Q" insignia on their chests at Trump rallies?
The last time I attended a MAGA rally was 2016 in Texas or was it 2015. So, no I saw absolutely no Q insignia. Q was a reaction to the insane Russia-hoax I believe. When the networks were lying there butts off about Trump and Russia and causing most of the country to disbelieve and distrust anything the MSMs said.
 

Arthur Brain

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The last time I attended a MAGA rally was 2016 in Texas or was it 2015. So, no I saw absolutely no Q insignia. Q was a reaction to the insane Russia-hoax I believe. When the networks were lying there butts off about Trump and Russia and causing most of the country to disbelieve and distrust anything the MSMs said.

Have you seen Jefferson's 'Q' thread? Check it out. In recent MAGA rallies they're not hard to spot.
 

Hilltrot

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Have you seen Jefferson's 'Q' thread? Check it out. In recent MAGA rallies they're not hard to spot.
Nope - never bothered with Q. Learned about it wondering where all the nutty stuff Ms. Powell was saying came from. Q is nuts and normally sane people in the media would keep it level. However, the media was going just as nuts as Q. Russian Collusion? Really? Oh noes, the president made a phone call to Ukraine - Let's impeach him over something stupid. Even now, the media has lost it. Trump tried to take over the government? Government overthrow is planned for all 50 states?!! Silliness. Stupid. Insane. Yes, Q is nuts but the MSMs have gone offthe deep-end as well. And then there's social media . . . :ROFLMAO:
 

Arthur Brain

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Nope - never bothered with Q. Learned about it wondering where all the nutty stuff Ms. Powell was saying came from. Q is nuts and normally sane people in the media would keep it level. However, the media was going just as nuts as Q. Russian Collusion? Really? Oh noes, the president made a phone call to Ukraine - Let's impeach him over something stupid. Even now, the media has lost it. Trump tried to take over the government? Government overthrow is planned for all 50 states?!! Silliness. Stupid. Insane. Yes, Q is nuts but the MSMs have gone offthe deep-end as well. And then there's social media . . . :ROFLMAO:

Okay, but why would you regard it as anti Trump given that so many Trump supporters give it so much credence? Okay, you rightfully call it as nutty but then why should any credence be given to folk who still cry foul over the election results? How are they any the less nutty in essence?
 

Hilltrot

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Okay, but why would you regard it as anti Trump given that so many Trump supporters give it so much credence?
I over half of the MAGA movement doesn't even know they exist. The others give it credence because, as I said before, the MSMs have gone nuts.
Okay, you rightfully call it as nutty but then why should any credence be given to folk who still cry foul over the election results?
Because they look guilty. You don't seem to understand that the election process in the U.S. is suppose to be completely free and open. People are allowed to stand around and watch the election results counted. In the key states, the election process was closed and in Michigan people were actually filmed covering the glass windows to prevent anyone from seeing.

Signatures on mail-in ballots are usually rejected about 5% of the time. This time they were rejected about 0.1% of the time. This would not normally be a problem, but no one was allowed to witness the signature verifications.

This and more is discussed in the Texas lawsuit which you refuse to read.

Let's say Biden, as you say, won fair and square. In a democracy, isn't it a good idea to make sure that everyone knows the elections are fair? Shouldn't the U.S. follow the same election rules that Carter recommended to other developing democracies? Shouldn't we allow an investigation to see if there were problems in the election just to put everyone's mind at ease?

We investigated the insane Russia collusion didn't we? Why not this? Just check and see if the signatures match, if all the people voted, etc. Are you afraid of us finding something bad?

Let me ask you. What would you say if parliament created a law which said the U.K. would not longer require I.D. to vote. Are you for or against?
How are they any the less nutty in essence?
Cheating has been a part of U.S. politics for a long time. Thinking that cheating is nutty is either nutty or horribly misinformed. The question is whether cheating was the cause of Biden's presidential election win. One has to be really misinformed or insane to believe that cheating did not occur in the election.
 

Arthur Brain

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I over half of the MAGA movement doesn't even know they exist. The others give it credence because, as I said before, the MSMs have gone nuts.

How do you know that over half of them don't know it exists? That's doubtful to say the least. There's normally a whole bunch of them wearing 'Q' gear at their stupid rallies...

Because they look guilty. You don't seem to understand that the election process in the U.S. is suppose to be completely free and open. People are allowed to stand around and watch the election results counted. In the key states, the election process was closed and in Michigan people were actually filmed covering the glass windows to prevent anyone from seeing.

Signatures on mail-in ballots are usually rejected about 5% of the time. This time they were rejected about 0.1% of the time. This would not normally be a problem, but no one was allowed to witness the signature verifications.

This and more is discussed in the Texas lawsuit which you refuse to read.

"Because they look guilty?" Heck, if we prosecuted people based on how they "look" then that wouldn't be much of a standard. Seen the lawsuit and it's just baseless as with all of the others. These claims that there was rigging going on or that there weren't officials presiding etc have just come to nothing.


Let's say Biden, as you say, won fair and square. In a democracy, isn't it a good idea to make sure that everyone knows the elections are fair? Shouldn't the U.S. follow the same election rules that Carter recommended to other developing democracies? Shouldn't we allow an investigation to see if there were problems in the election just to put everyone's mind at ease?

Of course. Investigate away. As I said in the adjoining thread, I'm no fan of Trump by any stretch but in no way should he or any other president be removed through chicanery or fraudulent means.

We investigated the insane Russia collusion didn't we? Why not this? Just check and see if the signatures match, if all the people voted, etc. Are you afraid of us finding something bad?

Not at all.

Let me ask you. What would you say if parliament created a law which said the U.K. would not longer require I.D. to vote. Are you for or against?

Against.

Cheating has been a part of U.S. politics for a long time. Thinking that cheating is nutty is either nutty or horribly misinformed. The question is whether cheating was the cause of Biden's presidential election win. One has to be really misinformed or insane to believe that cheating did not occur in the election.

Seeing fraud and conspiracy around every corner is just as misinformed.
 
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