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Jerry Shugart
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Since your friend Arnold thinks that the LORD is now dealing with the Israel of God in a different way than He is dealing with those in the Body of Christ then he must not be aware of the fact that the middle wall of partition which separated the two has been broken down (Eph.2:14).
“Bind thou up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. And I will wait for Jehovah, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.”
??Isaiah? ?8:16-17? ?ASV??
http://bible.com/12/isa.8.16-17.asv
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Jerry Shugart
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I guess Arnold knows nothing about the middle wall of partition being broken down.
Jerry Shugart
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Since Arnold speaks in riddles the only way that anyone can understand what he says is by guessing.
Arnold wants it both ways. He admits that he is a member of the Body of Christ where there is no difference between the Jews and the Gentiles but at the same time he is able to delude his mind into thinking that the LORD is treating himself and his fellow Jewish believers differently than the Gentiles.
His Jewishness has gone to his head.
Correction - WAS.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
That referred to them in Paul's day.
Note the very next passages, o clueless one...
11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
With their sealing; God concluded the rest blinded; cut them off and cast them away from their nation's Promises and temporarily shut down His plan and purpose for the Believing Remnant.
The rest were now under sin with the Gentiles.
Romans 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Why?
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
What then?
9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
What's the hold up? Why?
Romans 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
After which, this will be taken up at last...
Romans 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
Again, what is the hold up, and why?
9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
I shouldn't have started this thread uncle Jerry. I like you. Your comments here are wood hay and stubble. I'm amazed that one with your convictions can be so blinded and prided to a point where you criticize Arnold whom you've never read. His education vs yours is of no comparison your like a jr college drop out and he a world renown scholar. We can agree to disagree, if I continue badgering you, you will just continue stowing away more fodder. That said, you will always have a job working with the rest of the Madders under my jurisdiction in the kingdom. You'll be the captain of the landscaping crew in Edom and Babylon. [emoji51]
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Jerry Shugart
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His teaching directly contradicts the very scholars who started the seminary where he toils. His knowledge cannot be compared to those men.
Lewis Sperry Chafer > Arnold What His Name?
Lol, tell that to Charles Ryrie who wrote the foreword in Arnold's prophecy book. You're an amateur Jerry.
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2006 Chafer Theological Seminary
Arnold Fruchtenbaum: Remnant of Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JGsfwbBlmo&app=desktop
Jerry Shugart
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Lol. Ryrie is the amateur. Go to this study of mine which exposes Ryrie's dispensational errors:
http://www.twonewcovenants.com/errors/errors1.html
Jerry Shugart
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I guess you have to say something because you realize that you cannot defend Ryrie's blunders!
Jerry Shugart
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Are you not aware that Arnold said that it was "Paul who uniquely received the revelation concerning the dispensation of grace."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDNbuLgpWRI&list=PLvjyoDFMcVU1u8BeGOwk8rarWvOAWWBLo&index=45
You do know what the word "uniquely" means, don't you?
From there Arnold demonstrates that he doesn't even know what marks the beginning of the present dispensation. He is as confused about this as is Charles Ryrie! The blind leading the blind!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDNbuLgpWRI&list=PLvjyoDFMcVU1u8BeGOwk8rarWvOAWWBLo&index=45
You do know what the word "uniquely" means, don't you?
From there Arnold demonstrates that he doesn't even know what marks the beginning of the present dispensation. He is as confused about this as is Charles Ryrie! The blind leading the blind!
Jerry Shugart
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You can't close your eyes to the truth forever, can you?
Arnold would be very disappointed with you if you wouldn't at least try to defend his ideas!