Why We Are Justified by Faith Alone

beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
Your Calvinist God causes you to change the words in the Bible so as to please him. You need to scrap your Calvinist God and accept the God of the Bible.
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Now I understand why it's written that the nature man can't receive the things of the Spirit of God 1Cor2:14
 
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Robert Pate

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paxvobiscum said:
Action? Faith plus
———-Ten Commandments and the Eight Beatitudes or the Two Great Commandments that God gave us that we may earn salvation.

A surgeon just graduated from surgical residence awhile back————"I know all about an appendectomy,,,know just where the incision begins, I know exactly where the bleeders sre, anatomy, what sutures to use, how to incise the appendix etc, etc.

"Well doctor how many appendectomies have you done?" "None, no need to, I know all about appendectomies."
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So you, who is a sinner, can earn his salvation?
 
Jerry Shugart

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musterion said:
Yet God did it anyway.

Needing reconciliation assumes being an enemy, Robert.

How did God reconcile the world to Himself? By the cross.

When did He do this? While all of us were yet sinners...enemies.
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Yes, but reconciliation is a two way street. Before a person can come within the reconciliation provided by the Lord he must "be reconciled to God" (2 Cor.5:20) and that is done be believing the gospel.

So by the time a person is reconciled to God he is no longer an enemy of the Lord but instead loves the Lord.
 
Jerry Shugart

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paxvobiscum said:
Action? Faith plus
———-Ten Commandments and the Eight Beatitudes or the Two Great Commandments that God gave us that we may earn salvation.
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Yes, it is theoretically possible for a person to earn salvation by keeping the commandments. But if that person breaks just one commandment then he is guilty of all (Jams.2:10).

And being guilty of all will save no one!
 
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Robert Pate

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musterion said:
Yet God did it anyway.

Needing reconciliation assumes being an enemy, Robert.

How did God reconcile the world to Himself? By the cross.

When did He do this? While all of us were yet sinners...enemies.
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Yes, I know that.

But you are not reconciled to God until you accept the offer of reconciliation. B57 thinks that he has been reconciled to God while remaining a enemy. Doesn't work that way. Nothing is ours until it is received by faith, John 1:12.
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
No, in the eyes of God he will remain righteous. No true believer will ever have to exercise faith in the gospel again because the truth "shall be with us for ever" (2 Jn.2).
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So what will he do with his faith since he does not have to exercise it again?
 
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Robert Pate

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Samie said:
Is it possible for one who has already believed to stop believing?
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No, once we believe we are eternally sealed with the Holy Spirit.

"In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth the Gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, YOU WERE SEALED with that Holy Spirit of promise" Ephesians 1:13.
 
musterion

musterion

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Robert Pate said:
Yes, I know that.

But you are not reconciled to God until you accept the offer of reconciliation.
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I agree. Reconciled as part of a reconciled world =/= individually reconciled -- forgiven and justified.

B57 thinks that he has been reconciled to God while remaining a enemy.
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You mean "elect from eternity past"? Yes, that's what it amounts to, and so is a denial of Heb 11:6.
 
musterion

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Jerry Shugart said:
Before a person can come within the reconciliation provided by the Lord he must "be reconciled to God" (2 Cor.5:20) and that is done be believing the gospel.
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Agreed!

So by the time a person is reconciled to God he is no longer an enemy of the Lord but instead loves the Lord.
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Agreed.

Calvinists disagree, of course...they were as good as forgiven and justified in eternity past, before faith could be exercised...before they actually existed.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
No, once we believe we are eternally sealed with the Holy Spirit.

"In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth the Gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, YOU WERE SEALED with that Holy Spirit of promise" Ephesians 1:13.
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You don't believe the word of truth. You don't even believe that Christ death alone saved them He died for!
 
beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
Paul said, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17.

We continue to live believing that Jesus is our savior.
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You don't believe that scripture. Everyone Christ died for was made Just Rom 5:19, yet you many of them on their way to the lake of fire unjust!
 
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paxvobiscum said:
Regarding #157



Isn't "justice" a virtue, an action word, involving one'w relationship with his neighbor, like honesty, charity, compassion, etc? If faith is all we need, then there is no need for justice or any other virtues that involve a relationship with our neighbor, works.

"Ahhh, Mitzvah, go out and have fun, Mitzvah." "But no dancing."
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You have nothing, absolutely nothing, that God will accept for your salvation.

You are like a beggar living on the street, totally and completely destitute. All that you can do is receive because you have nothing to offer.

Salvation is a free gift from God. If it could be earned or deserved it would not be a free gift.

You have not because you ask not, "whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
You have nothing, absolutely nothing, that God will accept for your salvation.

You are like a beggar living on the street, totally and completely destitute. All that you can do is receive because you have nothing to offer.

Salvation is a free gift from God. If it could be earned or deserved it would not be a free gift.

You have not because you ask not, "whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
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Promoting salvation by works, by what a person does, thus denying salvation by Grace!
 
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