Why the Righteous Man Does Not Need Rules, Laws or Religion, 1 Timothy 1:9.

[Robert Pate]

Is it true that if you keep the Law you are not under it?

If you try to keep the law, which is impossible. You are under it and will be judged by it and condemned.

This is why Paul said, "The just (justified) shall live by faith" Romans 1:17.

Living by laws and rules is evidence that you don't have faith in Christ and his Gospel.

 

[Jacob]

If you try to keep the law, which is impossible. You are under it and will be judged by it and condemned.

This is why Paul said, "The just (justified) shall live by faith" Romans 1:17.

Living by laws and rules is evidence that you don't have faith in Christ and his Gospel.

If you do not break the law you are judged for nothing in keeping it.

 

[Robert Pate]

If you do not break the law you are judged for nothing in keeping it.

The law is the very nature and Character of God. You don't measure up.

 

[Jacob]

The law is the very nature and Character of God. You don't measure up.

That is true. But it doesn't keep me from obeying God.

 

[Robert Pate]

That is true. But it doesn't keep me from obeying God.

Your obedience is a work of the law and counts for nothing.

"By the works of the law no flesh will be justified in his sight" Romans 3:20.

 

[Jacob]

Your obedience is a work of the law and counts for nothing.

"By the works of the law no flesh will be justified in his sight" Romans 3:20.

I obey Jesus and once only obeyed Paul.

 

[Robert Pate]

I obey Jesus and once only obeyed Paul.

You can't obey Jesus or Paul. You need to trust Christ to save you from your sins and stop trying to save yourself.

 

[Jacob]

You can't obey Jesus or Paul. You need to trust Christ to save you from your sins and stop trying to save yourself.

God requires your obedience. You cannot be saved by the works of the law, whatever they are.

 

[JonahofAkron]

Paul has a message for you.

"Tell me that you desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?" Galatians 4:21.

All of the law keepers are lost, Romans 4:15.

So, Paul, too? Romans 3:31.

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[meshak]

Paul has a message for you.

"Tell me that you desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?" Galatians 4:21.

All of the law keepers are lost, Romans 4:15.

what is your point?

 

[meshak]

God requires your obedience. You cannot be saved by the works of the law, whatever they are.

how can you be obedient without obeying Jesus' law?

 

[meshak]

You can't obey Jesus or Paul. You need to trust Christ to save you from your sins and stop trying to save yourself.

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

 

[glorydaz]

I obey Jesus and once only obeyed Paul.

Oh, so now you attempt to obey Jesus when He walked in the flesh, and IGNORE what the Risen Lord revealed to Paul?

 

[Jacob]

how can you be obedient without obeying Jesus' law?

Today is Aviv 10. I am in Tacoma, Washington.

I obey Jesus but I don't know besides His instruction, teaching, that He has a law. There is indeed something called the law of Christ. It is to bear one another's burdens. That is how we fulfill it.

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[meshak]

Today is Aviv 10. I am in Tacoma, Washington.

I obey Jesus but I don't know besides His instruction, teaching, that He has a law. There is indeed something called the law of Christ. It is to bear one another's burdens. That is how we fulfill it.

Shalom.

Jacob

So you are contradicting your self by saying

You cannot be saved by the works of the law, whatever they are.

 

[Jacob]

Oh, so now you attempt to obey Jesus when He walked in the flesh, and IGNORE what the Risen Lord revealed to Paul?

I am in Tacoma, Washington. Today is Aviv 10.

No. I discovered that Paul did not speak against the Law. But I chose to obey Jesus where I had been prevented by Pauline doctrines or the doctrines of men contrary to scripture and Paul's own written word and those writings or scriptures that reveal him to us. I can say that I do not know what you are talking about however. Your terms or terminology.

 

[Jacob]

So you are contradicting your self by saying

No. There are works and there are good works and there are works of the law. We have to seek an understanding of each of these whenever we find these words in scripture. No one is saved by works of any kind. Or, no one is saved by the works of the law whatever they are.

 

[meshak]

No. There are works and there are good works and there are works of the law. We have to seek an understanding of each of these whenever we find these words in scripture. No one is saved by works of any kind. Or, no one is saved by the works of the law whatever they are.

You are making simple gospel so complicated, Jacob.

There is no need for that, in fact, it is harmful because it confuses the hearers.

 

[JonahofAkron]

Oh, so now you attempt to obey Jesus when He walked in the flesh, and IGNORE what the Risen Lord revealed to Paul?

Is it an accurate revelation if it contradicts the Messiah's word? I'm not saying Paul isn't to be believed, but I do think there is an interpretation that harmonizes what both say.

 

[JonahofAkron]

If you try to keep the law, which is impossible. You are under it and will be judged by it and condemned.

This is why Paul said, "The just (justified) shall live by faith" Romans 1:17.

Living by laws and rules is evidence that you don't have faith in Christ and his Gospel.

Messiah told us to keep His commands. How are those not rules or laws?

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