ECT WHY THE MYSTERY IS STILL A MYSTERY !!

[jamie]

Everyone received eternal life but where did they live it out is the issue? Remember this was before the cross.

The Savior was foreordained before the foundation of the world. (1 Peter 1:20)

 

[Cross Reference]

The Savior was foreordained before the foundation of the world. (1 Peter 1:20)

Yes. Having taken responsibility for sin, Jesus was God's provision for redeeming mankind and in the fullness of time He came on the scene to fulfill all "righteousness".

 

[andyc]

Can't it be said that that is an opinion. In fact cannot we say that whole of "dispensational truths" is an idea? BTW, who was it that initially got the doctrine off the ground?

Actually, the dispensation of God's grace through faith began with righteous Abel.

:rotfl:

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.

From Moses to John, God spoke through the prophets and the law. From John onward, the message is concerning the kingdom of God, and what people must do to enter it.

The message was forgiveness towards sinners who's hearts are repentant. Same as it is today.

 

[andyc]

I'll leave to Christ to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. So far he has done a fine job.

No. If he hasn't already fulfilled it, you need to be observing it. Also, avoid pork, meat with blood in, and I wouldn't bother going to Red Lobster.

 

[achduke]

Its all a shadow. Yes he fulfilled it all. Passover, everything.

The Object that casts a shadow is still there. Without it there would be no shadow.

 

[Cross Reference]

Luke 16:16

"The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.

Everyone? What is the kingdom of God that it is so easy to enter that you can believe that?

From Moses to John, God spoke through the prophets and the law. From John onward, the message is concerning the kingdom of God, and what people must do to enter it.

What must that be that doesn't require a commitment?

The message was forgiveness towards sinners who's hearts are repentant. Same as it is today.

That certainly explains nothing.

 

[Cross Reference]

No. If he hasn't already fulfilled it, you need to be observing it. Also, avoid pork, meat with blood in, and I wouldn't bother going to Red Lobster.

What Jamie wrote is by "revelation truth". . . . from no book off the shelf in those words.

Paul spent his Christian life explaining what the words of Jesus. That is why He said follow me as I follow Christ.

Peter explained His Life.

 

[andyc]

The Object that casts a shadow is still there. Without it there would be no shadow.

But the shadow is a vague representation of the person. Now we see the person, the shadow (law) is irrelevant.

 

[Cross Reference]

But the shadow is a vague representation of the person. Now we see the person, and so the shadow (law) is irrelevant.

What do you mean "we see the Person"? How does anyone do that without Acts 2 Pentecost?

Jesus never said the Holy Spirit would take the things of my shadow and show them to you.

 

[achduke]

But the shadow is a vague representation of the person. Now we see the person, the shadow (law) is irrelevant.

We know that God's uses his appointments over and over. We know that with Christ the spring appointments were fulfilled. Were all the fall feasts fulfilled?

 

[andyc]

Luke 16:16

Everyone? What is the kingdom of God that it is so easy to enter that you can believe that?

It's a figure of speech concerning those who receive the gospel.

What must that be that doesn't require a commitment?

That certainly explains nothing.

Irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[andyc]

What do you mean "we see the Person"? How does anyone do that without Acts 2 Pentecost?

Jesus never said the Holy Spirit would take the things of my shadow and show them to you.

You need to sit and read your bible and get familiar with it before coming here and getting confused.

You've lost the trail of discussion I was having with someone else.

 

[Cross Reference]

It's a figure of speech concerning those who receive the gospel.

Ok. And do what with it?

Irrelevant to the discussion.

What part is irrelevant that might need some explaining by me?

 

[patrick jane]

The dispensation of grace started with John the baptist.
The law was until John.

Nope. Paul

 

[Cross Reference]

Nope. Paul

Explain it, please. Perhaps you have a verse or two that will state what you believe should explain the facts as you have been taught?

 

[jamie]

No. If he hasn't already fulfilled it, you need to be observing it.

Not true. God gave the Law of Moses to the people of Israel. The Feasts of YHVH are a part of that law that required pilgrimage festivals three times per year.

Sukkot was to be observed by native born Israelites. (Leviticus 23:42)

Jesus said to teach disciples from all nations to observe all things that he commanded. Where in the NT did Jesus or his apostles say that we should keep the feasts given to Israel. Sukkot was not open to all nations.

Jesus established a new Passover observance that does not require circumcision.

Today we are part of a new priesthood that is open to everyone, not just Levites.

 

[Cross Reference]

Not true. God gave the Law of Moses to the people of Israel. The Feasts of YHVH are a part of that law that required pilgrimage festivals three times per year.

Sukkot was to be observed by native born Israelites. (Leviticus 23:42)

Jesus said to teach disciples from all nations to observe all things that he commanded. Where in the NT did Jesus or his apostles say that we should keep the feasts given to Israel. Sukkot was not open to all nations.

Jesus established a new Passover observance that does not require circumcision.

Today we are part of a new priesthood that is open to everyone, not just Levites.

Amen! A new Covenant by the shed Blood of Jesus with One gospel explaining the fulfilled Law purposed to bring about one new man. . . All bearing His Name.

 

[DAN P]

Still a mystery to who exactly?

Still a mystery to all, some, or everyone but you?




Every Christian would have no problem believing what the Spirit had Paul write in Eph 3:9



Pentecost is the feast of weeks, where Jews celebrate the giving of the law to Moses. It has no New Testament significance, because Christ is the end of the law to all who believe. Jewish Christians can celebrate it as a matter of national tradition, but it has no significance beyond that today. And never will have.




How can the mystery turn out to be the feast of weeks?



It will always remain a mystery to those who are perishing.




Past tense because it was sanctioned before the ages (beginning of the world).



of course. The righteousness of God received through faith in Christ.

It's not exactly a mystery anymore. It's now revealed to the saints, as Paul explains.



No. Righteousness pursued by any other means than grace through faith in Jesus Christ, is another gospel.

This means that the 'grace through faith' gospel is the only gospel. One gospel and that's it.

Hi and any other Gospel other then Grace is ACCURSED and that inclucdes the Law of Moses as Gal 1:8 is very clear !!

So those who teach Tongues , Water Baptism , Snake handling , Visions are ACCURSED !!

dan p

 

[revpete]

Hi were you able to go around 1 Coe 2:14 , But a soulish man RECEIVES not the things of the Spirit of God , for it is FOLLISHNESS to him , and he can not know ( it ) because it is being SPIRITUALLY INVESTIGATED !!

So , explain how you were able get around this verse because now man SEEKS after God ??

Since you were a Pastor you will understand without further explanation , !!

dan p

Hi Dan,

Get it in context. So: 1 Cor. 2:14. An unsaved person, not a babe in Christ, one that is newly born again, for though such do have some knowledge of spiritual things, yet they have a taste and desire the sincere milk of the word, and grow thereby; but an unregenerate man, that has no knowledge at all of such things; not an unregenerate man only, who is openly profane and abandoned to sensual lusts and pleasures; though such a man being sensual, and not having the Spirit, must be a natural man; but rather the wise philosopher, the Scribe, the disputer of this world; the rationalist, the man of the highest attainments in academia, in whom reason is wrought up to its highest pitch yet without the Spirit and grace of God. Every man in an unregenerate state who is as he was born, whatever may be the inward state of his mind, or his outward conduct of life, is but a natural man, and such a person receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God. Nor the things relating to the deity, personality, and perfections of the Holy Spirit, though these the natural man doesn't know nor receives; he says along with Nicodemus "how can these things be?" for they are foolishness unto him and are with him the subject of banter and ridicule.

Really Dan to rightly explain that verse you must go back to the beginning of the chapter or at least to verse three. There Paul states his weakness, his inability and utter helplessness left to himself in proclaiming God's Word and it flows from there.

The verse you quote, examined correctly and in context only reinforces my case.

Now apart from our discussion; why are you so bitter? You virtually have sarcasm dripping from nearly every word you write.

Pete

 

[DAN P]

Hi Dan,

Get it in context. So: 1 Cor. 2:14. An unsaved person, not a babe in Christ, one that is newly born again, for though such do have some knowledge of spiritual things, yet they have a taste and desire the sincere milk of the word, and grow thereby; but an unregenerate man, that has no knowledge at all of such things; not an unregenerate man only, who is openly profane and abandoned to sensual lusts and pleasures; though such a man being sensual, and not having the Spirit, must be a natural man; but rather the wise philosopher, the Scribe, the disputer of this world; the rationalist, the man of the highest attainments in academia, in whom reason is wrought up to its highest pitch yet without the Spirit and grace of God. Every man in an unregenerate state who is as he was born, whatever may be the inward state of his mind, or his outward conduct of life, is but a natural man, and such a person receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God. Nor the things relating to the deity, personality, and perfections of the Holy Spirit, though these the natural man doesn't know nor receives; he says along with Nicodemus "how can these things be?" for they are foolishness unto him and are with him the subject of banter and ridicule.

Really Dan to rightly explain that verse you must go back to the beginning of the chapter or at least to verse three. There Paul states his weakness, his inability and utter helplessness left to himself in proclaiming God's Word and it flows from there.

The verse you quote, examined correctly and in context only reinforces my case.

Now apart from our discussion; why are you so bitter? You virtually have sarcasm dripping from nearly every word you write.

Pete

Hi and we are not on the same page as to 1 Cor 2:14 !!

1 Cor 2:14 explains that the Natural man since the beginning does not experience Spiritual truth nor understand God , nor seek after God and is DOOMED without God !

We all should know that ONLY god does the saving and not man , Water Baptism , or Tongues !

I will start a new thread explaining how man is saved , soon and we will see that it is by Grace !!

Born again has only to do with Israel and study Acts 15:11 and 1 Cor 15:8 and you as a Pastor should know what these verses mean or SHAME on you !!

dan p