Why Is Hacking Only Now A Problem For Obama?

[Nick M]

I really should get my glasses checked

You need more than your eyes checked.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

Too funny. I really should get my glasses checked as I thought that your title was "Truth Smacker", not Truth Denier.

Cheap shot but, if that is the best you got....

Your hatred of Hillary Clinton (but then, what's to love about her?) has blinded you to wanting the know the truth. Remember, you were given a Truth Smacker award, not a 'Partisan Politics Award'.

You are so ready to accept this nonsense liberal narrative that Putin was behind the DNC hacking when neither you, the FBI, or the CIA have any definitive proof to that assertion. aCW, if all you got at the end of the day is a liberal talking point, and the same evidence they have that Russia "is" or "can be" the only possible culprit in this DNC hack job, which is absolutely nothing but supposition, than you run with it. I am sitting back laughing at you & the hypocrite Obama while you both pontificate for the sake of pontificating. If Obama was concerned about foreign agents hacking our government offices & private business' he would have been taking steps to stop it long before now.

It's well documented that Donald Trump has had close ties with Russia for decades. Remember he found his porn queen bride there and has business dealings here and abroad with powerful Russians. The admiration between Trump and mass murdering ex KGB head Vladimir Putin is well documented too.

I'll be talking about Trump's upcoming nomination of Exxon/Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson for Secretary of State in another thread, who (surprise surprise) has close ties with Russia and Vladimir Putin as well.

When you mentioned the CIA and FBI above, you forgot to mention the Director of National Intelligence:

CIA director reassures staff: Intel agencies similar in hacking assessment

12-16-16

CIA Director John Brennan told his workforce in an internal message that the CIA, Director of National Intelligence and FBI are on the same page regarding Russian hacking, according to multiple intelligence officials who have viewed the message...

Brennan wrote in part:

"Earlier this week, I met separately with (Director) FBI James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election."

"The three of us also agree that our organizations, along with others, need to focus on completing the thorough review of this issue that has been directed by President Obama and which is being led by the DNI."

"In recent days, I have had several conversations with members of Congress, providing an update on the status of the review as well as the considerations that need to be taken into account as we proceed."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/politics/john-brennan-cia-donald-trump-russian-hacking/index.html

Seek the truth rm, it'll set you free.

 

[Nick M]

 

[rexlunae]

The hypocrisy & outright ineptness of the Obama administration is on full display for all to see as we near inauguration day of a new presidency but, that does not stop Obama or his gang of thugs in the media from attempting a full court press to delegitimize our incoming president. I cannot point fingers at Obama or his surrogates for the attempt, after all it was Trump that ran with the Clinton led birther narrative in 2008 to delegitimize Obama but, that is not the discussion, politicians & media will be politicians & media after all. What is more notable is the current narrative on hacking/cyber security and how only now is it a 911 problem.

Clinton didn't lead the Birther movement. And Obama has been trying to reassure the public, and in a way normalize Trump, not undermine him. But Trump is not normal. He's self-delegitimizing.

Numerous government & private business have been dealing with this threat since Obama took office in 2008 but, the attacks on our government have been massive since 2014 with 13 government offices hacked most notably the Office of Personnel management where over 22 million Americans who are currently or former workers in the intelligence community had their personal information compromised and that happened twice in June of 2015, all of these attacks happened on his watch and should have sounded a 911 alarm then, sadly it was not given the proper attention it deserved because it continues to be quite prevalent now. To sum it up Obama shows how absolutely inept he is on the subject of hacking because his administration has been out to lunch in dealing with the problem or the foreign agents that are engaged in it and the hypocrisy shows it's head with the current hysteria over a problem he knows full well exists and only gets motivated on it when the DNC gets trashed by wikileaks...it is laughable.

It's a very hard problem, dealing with IT security in all of the federal government. The different agencies and departments are extremely decentralized, set their own policies, draw on different legal mandates, and are subject to legal processes set by Congress. And there is no panacea. The biggest weakness in any of these environments is the human element, and there are tons of humans in government, each with different levels of access. The President can't unilaterally just fix it, although it does need to be improved, especially where one government agency does things that impact wide swathes of the government. The OPM hack is a good example of that. They had records on essentially all federal employees, that were compromised all at once. But it's worth noting that there have been actions taken to improve the security of all government IT resources lead by OPM, the NSA, the Department of Justice, and the White House.

These efforts don't ever make the news unless they fail. And it is virtually certain that they will fail again. But it isn't hypocritical to expect that other nations won't attack us just because of this inevitable failure to perfect.

 

[rocketman]

Clinton didn't lead the Birther movement. And Obama has been trying to reassure the public, and in a way normalize Trump, not undermine him. But Trump is not normal. He's self-delegitimizing.

You would be quite wrong, the entire birther notion and attempt to paint Obama as "unAmerican" was brought to the forefront during Clinton's'08 bid for president. I know the only place you get your news is from the the liberal hack site politifact but, there are numerous sources that prove otherwise. This link will give you 7 separate sources that prove your assertion is bunk.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/7-news-stories-2008-prove-hillary-started-obama-birtherism/

It's a very hard problem, dealing with IT security in all of the federal government. The different agencies and departments are extremely decentralized, set their own policies, draw on different legal mandates, and are subject to legal processes set by Congress.

And there is no panacea.

What a cop out...This president has been completely out to lunch on the entire issue. Things like cyber security, national security, heck, border security for that matter are all ongoing efforts all of which are secondary issues for this man, and if they were important to him where was even one piece of legislation that he has led the effort to stem the tide of hacking of American government & private industries? The problem with Obama is that he is an ideologue not a leader.

The biggest weakness in any of these environments is the human element, and there are tons of humans in government, each with different levels of access. The President can't unilaterally just fix it, although it does need to be improved, especially where one government agency does things that impact wide swathes of the government.

Which goes directly back to the former point of leadership or lack thereof in Obama's case on a systemic problem which has been growing the entire time that he has been in office. If it takes congressional action as you say, why has he not even broached the subject much less led the charge for the legislature to take action to stem the tide? I'll tell you why, Obama is not a leader...

The OPM hack is a good example of that. They had records on essentially all federal employees, that were compromised all at once. But it's worth noting that there have been actions taken to improve the security of all government IT resources lead by OPM, the NSA, the Department of Justice, and the White House.

The IRS hack also compromised average americans, what was troubling about the OPM hack is that it compromised those that hold government security clearances. You say actions have been taken, what are they? Has money been allocated to attack this problem in any meaningful way? Has the full government been put into action a plan, legislation, an executive order, actions against the foreign or domestic agents they believe are doing the hacking...anything? Haven't seen that as of yet... doing what they have done all along really cannot be described as even a concerted effort.

These efforts don't ever make the news unless they fail. And it is virtually certain that they will fail again. But it isn't hypocritical to expect that other nations won't attack us just because of this inevitable failure to perfect.

It is hypocritical to cry foul when you knew about the problem all along but, only politicize it when it hits you personally though. It takes more than political pontification to fix a problem than pointing fingers when it finally comes to roost in your own barn. I cannot wait for this man to exit stage left, he has been an epic disaster on too many fronts to name.

 

[rexlunae]

You would be quite wrong, the entire birther notion and attempt to paint Obama as "unAmerican" was brought to the forefront during Clinton's'08 bid for president. I know the only place you get your news is from the the liberal hack site politifact but, there are numerous sources that prove otherwise. This link will give you 7 separate sources that prove your assertion is bunk.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/7-news-stories-2008-prove-hillary-started-obama-birtherism/

You know, I remember the whole Birtherism movement quite clearly. It's not like it was long ago. I discussed it in quite a bit of detail with a number of people here, all of whom I believe were conservatives of one sort or another. Certainly none of them were Democrats. So there's something quite Orwellian about the attempt now, a few short years later, to reassign the blame for the ugly, racist campaign to pretend that Barack Obama was not eligible to serve as President. And neither you nor Trump are going to successfully gaslight me into thinking it was all Hillary Clinton's doing.

What I expect is that opposition researchers working for Clinton's 2008 campaign would have come up with options for attacking Obama along these lines. And I also know that the campaign didn't use those attacks during the campaign.

I also find it very strange that now, all of a sudden, after 8 years of seemingly neverending noise from the likes of Joe Arpaio, Orly Taitz, the entire World News Daily website, and yes, Donald Trump himself, all of a sudden, it's a stipulated fact from the entire Right that Obama was always a citizen, his right to be President was never in question, and somehow you can try to malign Clinton as a Birther without losing all your credibility.

What a cop out...This president has been completely out to lunch on the entire issue. Things like cyber security, national security, heck, border security for that matter are all ongoing efforts all of which are secondary issues for this man, and if they were important to him where was even one piece of legislation that he has led the effort to stem the tide of hacking of American government & private industries? The problem with Obama is that he is an ideologue not a leader.

Ok, what do you think he could do that would be constructive?

I'm rather glad Obama isn't taking a direct role in directing the federal government's IT security. It's frustrating enough dealing with the agencies that have been granted such power.

Which goes directly back to the former point of leadership or lack thereof in Obama's case on a systemic problem which has been growing the entire time that he has been in office. If it takes congressional action as you say, why has he not even broached the subject much less led the charge for the legislature to take action to stem the tide? I'll tell you why, Obama is not a leader...

Has the Republican Congress offered a solution? No. Because no one has an easy solution. Because none exists.

The IRS hack also compromised average americans, what was troubling about the OPM hack is that it compromised those that hold government security clearances. You say actions have been taken, what are they?

Specifically, certain agencies have been given authority to implement standards for all agencies falling under their jurisdiction. I'm going to be deliberately a little vague about the specifics of that.

Things like this: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/06/08/https-everywhere-government

Has money been allocated to attack this problem in any meaningful way? Has the full government been put into action a plan, legislation, an executive order, actions against the foreign or domestic agents they believe are doing the hacking...anything? Haven't seen that as of yet... doing what they have done all along really cannot be described as even a concerted effort.

I don't know much about whether specific appropriations have been made for it, but I do know that time and focus has been put into it. This could easily come out of the regular operating budgets of agencies.

It is hypocritical to cry foul when you knew about the problem all along but, only politicize it when it hits you personally though. It takes more than political pontification to fix a problem than pointing fingers when it finally comes to roost in your own barn. I cannot wait for this man to exit stage left, he has been an epic disaster on too many fronts to name.

That's like saying that it's hypocritical to report a rape when you could arguably have done more to prevent rapes. The fundamental weakness is the same weakness that exists everywhere: humans that can be easily tricked into giving up secrets. If you know a solution for that, I and every security professional in the world is waiting for it.

 

[ok doser]

bammy could have put it to rest at any time by merely requesting the Hawaii records office release the original birth certificate


as he did, finally

 

[rexlunae]

bammy could have put it to rest at any time by merely requesting the Hawaii records office release the original birth certificate


as he did, finally

Right, sure he could.

 

[TulipBee]

Let me ask this. What are the differences between NSA hacking and Russia hacking?????

 

[rexlunae]

Let me ask this. What are the differences between NSA hacking and Russia hacking?????

That's a fair question. And we should probably hesitate to intervene in other countries, in the future. But we still shouldn't accept this kind of behavior.