Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 3

[Nazaroo]

Now lets turn to the issues that are apparently important to you:

(perhaps these will be better thought out and researched?)

Don't you find it ironic every christian forum will kick you off for the S, D, H, F, words, but could care less if the real offenses that are repeated are committed, libel, slander, etc... It just speaks to the hypocrisy that has become standard in our faith. WHICH IS NOT condemning people to being hypocrites. If it's all they have ever heard and been taught, why would they even think to question it to learn better?

I don't know about ironic, because that would require substance.
What I do find is that your choice of topic is trivial and infantile.

There is nothing difficult about following English etiquette in regard
to social norms, and why would you refuse to, and let that get in the
way of anything important you have to say?

Most people just "man up" after the age of say 25, and behave themselves
when speaking publicly. At least that used to be the norm,
until this latest generation has been dumbed down to the point where
they can't speak without using an irrelevant and ineffective "cuss word"
in every sentence.

I couldn't care less whether you use "cuss words".
But please don't use words at all without a purpose.


Perhaps below we can find more substantive issues to discuss.

MOre heterosexual people are pedophiles than homosexual. If it condemns one sexual preference it condemns the other even more.

I am really shocked that your own mind hasn't called you on this
logical fallacy.

Of course there are more heterosexual pedophiles.
Heterosexuals represent 95% of the population.
All things being equal, 95% of pedophiles should be heterosexuals.

However two things mitigate against this:

(1) Sexual deviates already defy categorization because they can cross boundaries which would be barriers to those who are stable and classifiable.

(2) People mis-categorize sexual offenders as if they were or could be
grouped with normal categories like "heterosexual", when this is a
scientifically fallacious method of categorization.

Raise your youth so they won't be corrupted. That's an easy one. Parent should be parents.

Really? This is so retarded that I can scarcely believe you are serious.

Its akin to "Just say no to rapists." Do you really think parents
are the main group to blame for what is plainly a well-financed
and organized agenda to destroy Christian society and culture?

here's a newsflash though. You can't "turn a person gay". You might convince them to try a same sex experience, but you can't turn them gay. They no more choose to be gay, than you chose to be heterosexual.

Here's a better newsflash:

Children and teens can EASILY be corrupted into becoming involved and
committed to all kinds of dangerous and stupid activities.

Your cute 'rules of thumb' are the real fantasy here.

Drug abuse is an obvious example of this vulnerability,
and the need for children and teens to be protected from exploiters
of all kinds.

The idea that sexual experimentation, like drug experimentation,
could be harmless is total insanity personified.

Why let reality get in the way of a perfectly good fantasy, right?

No comment, except lets I.D. the fantasy correctly this time.

I get it. It's hard to have to change views you were taught as a child. What else could be wrong. It's scary. I'll tell you about that experience sometime if you wish too... 12 years of angst at the lies I was taught... was very frustrating for me.

What is sad, but predictable, is that you still haven't shaken off
very many of the "lies you were taught".

Keep studying.

 

[GFR7]

But but but "Anyone who knows Muslim families and has been around the Muslim community (I was for 7 years in Pittsburgh and the University area there) knows that this kind of racist hate-mongering is the stuff of fantasy and wishful thinking."

Want a little ketchup with your crow?

Yeah, well maybe I knew the Americanized version.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Sammy, I know that you're out there. I need to know what you meant when you told the Jr. Libertarian that you agree with that nutcase Libertarian for life who doesn't even think that homosexuality is a sin.

Great points, CL. I agree with Dr. Paul on this as well

Come on Sammy, your lack of exchange here is...."pitiful".
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3981539&postcount=986

(Sniff, sniff, does anyone else smell a fraud?).

 

[IMJerusha]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

Why is homosexuality the 'sacred cow' that can't be touched by legislating righteous laws?

That's a good question. I think that the water is too far over the dam. Their agenda has acquired the backing of the ACLU and financial support of major corporations both here and abroad. (Btw, better use of 'sacred cow' there.) Perhaps if we'd not let it get this far?

I do like the health angle of approach and that, in the long run, may be the wedge used to defeat this sin. It would have to be applied across the board though because prostitution is rife with "back door" behavior. It's not just a homosexual thing. We'd also have to go after the sex toy industry.

 

[IMJerusha]

"As easily as abortion"? Legal for 41 years, 57 million+ unborn babies murdered in the womb. Obviously it hasn't been that "easy" to recriminalize abortion.

And here's the reason why: I've shown throughout the 3 part thread that the homosexual and abortion movements are one in the same. You can't allow one to grow like an out of control cancer, and expect to defeat the other, as they're both part of the sexual anarchy movement.

Do you really think it can be called a sexual anarchy movement? Why not call the spade what it is? it's the major walking away from God movement.

 

[GFR7]

That's a good question. I think that the water is too far over the dam. Their agenda has acquired the backing of the ACLU and financial support of major corporations both here and abroad. (Btw, better use of 'sacred cow' there.) Perhaps if we'd not let it get this far?

I do like the health angle of approach and that, in the long run, may be the wedge used to defeat this sin. It would have to be applied across the board though because prostitution is rife with "back door" behavior. It's not just a homosexual thing. We'd also have to go after the sex toy industry.

Great post; fully agreed. :thumb:

 

[GFR7]

"As easily as abortion"? Legal for 41 years, 57 million+ unborn babies murdered in the womb. Obviously it hasn't been that "easy" to recriminalize abortion.

And here's the reason why: I've shown throughout the 3 part thread that the homosexual and abortion movements are one in the same. You can't allow one to grow like an out of control cancer, and expect to defeat the other, as they're both part of the sexual anarchy movement.

Yes - you are correct. I think what I meant is that it is very difficult for anyone to "celebrate" abortion - even pro-choice persons. We know that they are in fact celebrating the gay lifestyle.

But yes, you are correct in saying it is all part of the sexual anarchy movement. You are not in error in your diagnosis, not at all.

 

[IMJerusha]

Not at all. What is your deal, man? Why the hostility?

He's been fighting this windmill for a very long time. And I don't mean that in the negative sense. This is a valid concern.

 

[IMJerusha]

Yes - you are correct. I think what I meant is that it is very difficult for anyone to "celebrate" abortion - even pro-choice persons. We know that they are in fact celebrating the gay lifestyle.

But yes, you are correct in saying it is all part of the sexual anarchy movement. You are not in error in your diagnosis, not at all.

We have to be careful how we address this sin. It's not a lifestyle unless one considers willful disobedience to God a good thing. God calls this sin an abomination. In other words, it really disgusts Him and is a direct attack against Him and His plan for men and women. Every time we call it a lifestyle we're lending legitimacy to it and we can not do that.

Sammy stated, "Stop being weak folks, let's actually rebuild The Christian majority in America! The scriptures tell us how to do this, all we need is the GUTS!" He has a point but in order to affect this change, we would have to affect a whole boatload of changes such as cease the bickering within the Body and turn our attentions outward as a group. That doesn't have to be done as one denomination. We need to re-establish the practice of shunning and edify those who repent of homosexual behavior. We need to stop mollycoddling the Liberal platform and distance ourselves from it. We can not serve God and man so decide Who you're going to serve and stop trying to walk a fenceline. It doesn't work. En toto what we need to do first and foremost is establish what Christianity IS...not exactly what its specific doctrines are denominationally. We need to draw a line in the sand between good and evil and pick our side. That's what it's going to boil down to in the end anyway.

 

[GFR7]

We have to be careful how we address this sin. It's not a lifestyle unless one considers willful disobedience to God a good thing. God calls this sin an abomination. In other words, it really disgusts Him and is a direct attack against Him and His plan for men and women. Every time we call it a lifestyle we're lending legitimacy to it and we can not do that.

Sammy stated, "Stop being weak folks, let's actually rebuild The Christian majority in America! The scriptures tell us how to do this, all we need is the GUTS!" He has a point but in order to affect this change, we would have to affect a whole boatload of changes such as cease the bickering within the Body and turn our attentions outward as a group. That doesn't have to be done as one denomination. We need to re-establish the practice of shunning and edify those who repent of homosexual behavior. We need to stop mollycoddling the Liberal platform and distance ourselves from it. We can not serve God and man so decide Who you're going to serve and stop trying to walk a fenceline. It doesn't work. En toto what we need to do first and foremost is establish what Christianity IS...not exactly what its specific doctrines are denominationally. We need to draw a line in the sand between good and evil and pick our side. That's what it's going to boil down to in the end anyway.

Granted.

And it's true that it will boil down to this in the end: That is what eschatology is.

But meantime, we have a vast mass of secular people, nationally and globally, who believe there is no such thing as sin. And I believe they now outnumber those who do. It matters little whether they fly the banner of "Church" or "Christianity" or "secular liberalism" - they are all about free choice and identity politics and minority rights and "equality" and "love is love" - how do you think we got to the point we are at now, were this not true?

 

[IMJerusha]

Granted.

And it's true that it will boil down to this in the end: That is what eschatology is.

Really? Ha! I've never paid much attention to "ologies" when it came to the faith. It just seems like good Christian common sense.

But meantime, we have a vast mass of secular people, nationally and globally, who believe there is no such thing as sin. And I believe they now outnumber those who do. It matters little whether they fly the banner of "Church" or "Christianity" or "secular liberalism" - they are all about free choice and identity politics and minority rights and "equality" and "love is love" - how do you think we got to the point we are at now, were this not true?

You're right, Christianity must have numbers in order to have some sway in society. 77% of people in the US consider themselves Christian. Perhaps if Christianity was universally defined we would learn that percentage is quite a bit less. The definition must contain a solid basic lifestyle description. Folks don't seem to know what that is and the Creeds don't define it.

 

[resurrected]

Really? Ha! I've never paid much attention to "ologies" when it came to the faith. It just seems like good Christian common sense.



You're right, Christianity must have numbers in order to have some sway in society. 77% of people in the US consider themselves Christian. Perhaps if Christianity was universally defined we would learn that percentage is quite a bit less. The definition must contain a solid basic lifestyle description. Folks don't seem to know what that is and the Creeds don't define it.

according to wiki, 25% of americans identify as catholic

seems like they should be able to have a powerful voice, at least more powerful than the 2% of perverts out there :idunno:



problem is, the perverts rely on mush-headed tards like anna and town to support them in their push to be accepted

 

[IMJerusha]

according to wiki, 25% of americans identify as catholic

seems like they should be able to have a powerful voice, at least more powerful than the 2% of perverts out there :idunno:

Yes, well, the beat ups on the Body can be laid at the doorstep of just about every faith expression and the focus needs to change.

problem is, the perverts rely on mush-headed tards like anna and town to support them in their push to be accepted

I said, "the focus needs to change."

 

[GFR7]

Really? Ha! I've never paid much attention to "ologies" when it came to the faith. It just seems like good Christian common sense.



You're right, Christianity must have numbers in order to have some sway in society. 77% of people in the US consider themselves Christian. Perhaps if Christianity was universally defined we would learn that percentage is quite a bit less. The definition must contain a solid basic lifestyle description. Folks don't seem to know what that is and the Creeds don't define it.

And they keep changing the definitions. Many churches are embracing same sex marriage, and divorce and all kinds of things.

So to say 77% are Christian is to say that many use that term. But as you state, there is NO consensus on what it means to be Christian.

One can scarcely distinguish between secular atheism and Christianity when it comes to they way people live their daily lives. So I agree with you, if Christianity means a certain strict lifestyle, going by the bible and faith, good works, removing oneself from secular and commercial interests (media obsession, vanity such as cosmetic surgery, same sex marriage, sexual experimentation, divorce, money and consumer idolatry) - perhaps Christians would comprise 5% of the US population.

The entire culture has been saturated with financial and political interest, consumerism, competition - these things drive most people, and "being Christian" is for many something tacked on, like an insurance policy- it is not the heart of who they are.

 

[IMJerusha]

And they keep changing the definitions. Many churches are embracing same sex marriage, and divorce and all kinds of things.

So to say 77% are Christian is to say that many use that term. But as you state, there is NO consensus on what it means to be Christian.

One can scarcely distinguish between secular atheism and Christianity when it comes to they way people live their daily lives. So I agree with you, if Christianity means a certain strict lifestyle, going by the bible and faith, good works, removing oneself from secular and commercial interests (media obsession, vanity such as cosmetic surgery, same sex marriage, sexual experimentation, divorce, money and consumer idolatry) - perhaps Christians would comprise 5% of the US population.

The entire culture has been saturated with financial and political interest, consumerism, competition - these things drive most people, and "being Christian" is for many something tacked on, like an insurance policy- it is not the heart of who they are.

Well see, that'll go away the more Christians are persecuted and the drop off has already begun. This is why I made the comment that too much water has gone over the dam.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
But but but "Anyone who knows Muslim families and has been around the Muslim community (I was for 7 years in Pittsburgh and the University area there) knows that this kind of racist hate-mongering is the stuff of fantasy and wishful thinking."

Want a little ketchup with your crow?

Yeah, well maybe I knew the Americanized version.

Oh yeah, the American version of the Koran.

You remind me of many people who defend homosexuality simply because they know some people that partake in the behavior. Unfortunately they don't take the time to study the lifestyle and agenda.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

Why is homosexuality the 'sacred cow' that can't be touched by legislating righteous laws?

That's a good question. I think that the water is too far over the dam. Their agenda has acquired the backing of the ACLU and financial support of major corporations both here and abroad. (Btw, better use of 'sacred cow' there.) Perhaps if we'd not let it get this far?

The sexual anarchy movement has inactive/apathetic Christians to thank for that.

I do like the health angle of approach and that, in the long run, may be the wedge used to defeat this sin. It would have to be applied across the board though because prostitution is rife with "back door" behavior. It's not just a homosexual thing. We'd also have to go after the sex toy industry.

Homosexuality is at the forefront of the culture war at this time. We must defeat this movement before we start taking on others. (abortion, pornography, cohabitation, no-fault divorce, adultery).

 

[jgarden]

Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 3 - June 7th,

For those that have been following the thread, you've seen 4 things time and time again that are key to the proud and unrepentant homosexual lifestyle and the agenda that grew like a out of control cancer since homosexuality was decriminalized just over 10 years ago:

1). Infiltrating and redefining society's invaluable and important institutions. Since homosexuality was decriminalized, we've seen how the invaluable institutions of marriage and the family have been mocked by homosexuals in the name of "equality."

The institution of marriage has been "mocked" long before homosexuals started their campaign for equality. Marriage has long been used as a method to solidify political alliances, business transactions and/or ensure heirs!

2). The indoctrination of children and teens into accepting homosexuality as something 'normal'.

Common sense and scientfic/medical studies confirm that one's sexual orientation is not a conscious choice.

3). Intolerance and violence against those that speak out against homosexual behavior or it's agenda and amongst those that engage in homosexual behavior themselves.

"Gay bashing" is a common form of violence in modern society and Christians don't do themselves nor their faith any favors by "trivializing" it.

4). Disease and early death.

Presumably the OP is referring to AIDS, but this disease is equally deadly among the heterosexual community. The "disease/death" argument has been used repeatedly to "demonize" a wide range of groups.

 

[GFR7]

Well see, that'll go away the more Christians are persecuted and the drop off has already begun. This is why I made the comment that too much water has gone over the dam.

True. This may be why many Christians have embraced same sex marriage and other things, and have decided not to judge others - they don't want to have to stand up for their beliefs, so they drop them, and stop making waves.

 

[GFR7]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
But but but "Anyone who knows Muslim families and has been around the Muslim community (I was for 7 years in Pittsburgh and the University area there) knows that this kind of racist hate-mongering is the stuff of fantasy and wishful thinking."

Want a little ketchup with your crow?



Oh yeah, the American version of the Koran.

You remind me of many people who defend homosexuality simply because they know some people that partake in the behavior. Unfortunately they don't take the time to study the lifestyle and agenda.

:think: