The scripture says that Noah lay uncovered in the tent, not Ham's mother. The two other brothers physically walked backward so that they did not see their father’s nakedness. They literally took a garment to cover their father. The scripture does not say anything about their father’s wife, as Leviticus mentions the wife of a father. The scripture mentions nothing about Ham sleeping with his mother.
What’s the problem with Noah being naked in HIS tent? Not THE tent… Noah’s sons had wives, and surely they had their own tents (Genesis 9:27 KJV).
Besides Ham, and likely his wife, do you think Noah was alone in HIS TENT?
What the Sam daylights was Ham doing in his PARENT’s tent when Noah and his wife, HAM’s MOTHER, were laid up passed out, blind drunk, and butt-naked in the FIRST PLACE? Leviticus 18:8 KJV.
The Jews render Ham sodomized Noah and castrated him, while you teach elementary age kids their nakedness, their God-given genitals, are BAD, BAD things in your shame-based theology. Got some Freudian shame going on there?
I have already explained that Corinthians does not back your story, for the man sleeping with his father’s wife does NOT make it automatically his mother. The reason Gentiles are mentioned is not because of anything you think Ham did with his mother.
You already can’t understand a father’s wife CAN be the same as the son’s mother in 1Corinthians 5:1 KJV. So… which is it? You obviously never met Japheth, the ‘father’ of the Gentiles who walked into NOAH’s tent covered and backwards (Genesis 9:23, 27, 10:2, 3, 4, Genesis 10:5 KJV, first use of this title). Your obvious lack of truth requires a little shoring up with your obvious willful ignorance. WHO IS THE ‘FATHER’ OF THE GENTILES?
The Bible usually mentions the children’s mother to whom they are born. You are making up things that are not there. The sons Abraham had with Keturah ARE ABRAHAM’s SONS. They are Abraham’s seed. As is Ishmael from Hagar.
Got Scripture? Consider Ezra’s reckoning in 1Chronicles 1:28 KJV v. 1Chronicles 1:32 KJV. Paul wrote, “For it is written, that Abraham had TWO SONS, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman” (Galatians 4:22 KJV). I missed your unsupported claim. In Romans 9:6 KJV, Romans 9:7 KJV, Paul was reflecting on Moses’ (Genesis 25:4 KJV) and Ezra’s (1Chronicles 1:28) mentions, including Abraham’s funeral in Genesis 25:9 KJV. Where were “Abraham’s seed” during Abraham’s funeral (Genesis 25:4 KJV)? I guess you gave them a ‘stay-at-home sick’ pass. Keturah’s sons didn’t even receive gifts from Abraham that even Abraham’s benign sons via concubines received (Genesis 25:6 KJV).
You are trying to make a difference between Abraham’s seed and Abraham’s children.
Paul made this distinction in Romans 9:6 KJV, Romans 9:7 KJV, and Galatians 4:22 KJV, but you just can’t hear this. Paul simply affirmed Jesus’s Words in John 8:37 KJV, John 8:39 KJV, but you just can’t hear this distinction. Paul and Jesus simply affirmed Moses words in Genesis 25:4 KJV, and Ezra’s words in 1Chronicles 1:28 KJV, 1Chronicles 1:32 KJV, but you just can’t hear this distinction. Paul, Jesus, Moses, and Ezra support distinction between Abraham’s progeny via different co-progenitors. Every single poster on this thread understands the concept of faith… Paul distinguished through WHICH of Abraham’s progeny GOD’s PROMISE would arrive, AND through WHOM Messiah would NOT arrive (Romans 9:6, 7), speaking of endless genealogies (John 8:33 KJV, John 8:41 KJV).
Yet, JESUS IS THE SEED FROM ABRAHAM!
I already DECLARED twice to you and this audience that Matthew BEGAN the New Testament with Matthew 1:1 KJV. Are you coming around? Not hardly… You’re at least two thousand years late on the scene with such a profound revelation.
Jesus explains that if one does like Abraham, then that makes Abraham their father. If one does wrong, then that makes the devil their father.
John 8:12-47 was about literal fathers (John 8:13 KJV, John 8:14 KJV, John 8:37 KJV, John 8:41 KJV, John 8:44 KJV). Your theology opens the door for YOU to know good from evil, (Genesis 3:5 KJV)! Jesus told “Abraham’s seed” (John 8:37 KJV), who were NOT “Abraham’s children” (John 8:39 KJV)… Jesus told those NON-Israelites instigating His crucifixion a particular truth Abraham did NOT know (John 8:40 KJV). Jesus told those imposter Jews a particular truth that “Abraham’s seed” did NOT know, and a particular truth that you obviously don’t know either.
John 8:40 KJV “But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.”
What truth did Abraham NOT hear from God? What were those TWO divine testimonies of those TWO divine witnesses (John 8:17, 18)? Those are TOTALLY rhetorical questions to one so omnipotent.
I did not ever say that. You do not pay attention to truth. You have an imagination.
I rebuke your inconsistent, wavering theology blowing like a blistering sandstorm in the desert that is only convenient for the moment to make your fragmented, floundering points. You cannot fathom the truth spoken by Moses, Ezra, Jesus, or Paul.
I did not say you are the only one interested in Jesus’ generation. It is important to whom Jesus is from, for God made a promise to Abraham.
Really? You mean Jesus’ ARRIVAL on planet earth never even crossed Almighty God’s mind until Abraham showed up? You sound EXACTLY like those who instigated Jesus’ crucifixion in John 3:33 KJV, John 8:39 KJV, John 8:41 KJV… YOU and they skipped ALL of those 22 inclusive generations between God and Abraham (Luke 3:38, 37, 36, 35, 34). Those Abrahamic, NON-Israelite detractors (John 8:33 KJV) skipped right over Isaac and Jacob like you do. Such truth only cost John the Baptist his head, ultimately (Luke 3:2, 7, 8, KJV). Stephen INcluded Isaac and Jacob during his fatal testimony (Acts 7: 8 KJV) that only got Stephen stoned. You stand alongside those who crucified Jesus, beheaded JTB, and stoned Stephen; particularly considering you think John was talking about YOU in 1John 3:9 KJV!
You keep reminding me to stop my alleged endless genealogies. I keep reminding you that 77-fold generations (Genesis 4:24 KJV) is a finite number, but you can’t count that high. You talk about a promise Almighty God made to Abraham? Such was Paul’s subject of Romans 9:6 KJV, Romans 9:7 KJV, Romans 9:8 KJV, Romans 9:9 KJV! Jesus said there was a certain truth that Abraham didn’t know (John 8:40 KJV). I don’t suppose you can illustrate Jesus’ truth that Abraham didn’t know, then? Genesis 18:17 KJV, Genesis 18:18 KJV, Genesis 18:19 KJV hints at the answer. Rhetorically asking… please spare me.
I said that you need to stop about genealogies now, because it does NOT MATTER TO WHOM WE ARE BLOOD RELATED. It only matters about our having faith in Jesus’ blood!
Genealogies matter to you that Abraham was an ancestor to Jesus. But, now genealogies do NOT MATTER. So, which one is it, firewalker?
There were descendants of Abraham who INSTIGATED Jesus’ crucifixion, but were NOT Israelites (John 8:33 KJV, John 8:37 KJV, John 8:39 KJV). Do you have the slightest clue who those verses shine a little light on? Certainly you’re fearful… you’re willful ignorance glows in broad daylight.
That is not true. You do not speak the truth.
You castrate the truth.
Anyone who calls themselves a Jew, but does not love Jesus is an imposter.
Then all who love Jesus are Jews, then? You don’t have a clue who Paul culled out in Romans 9:6, 7. You don’t even have a clue who Jesus referred to in Revelation 2:9, 3:9. You don’t know sheep from shinola, and Revelation 3:10 KJV sorta suggests such discernment in imperative to endure until the end (Matthew 24:13 KJV).
7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.
Romans 9:7 KJV, “Neither because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.”
Paul maintained this SAME “seed” v. “children” distinction Jesus made in John 8:37 KJV contrasted with John 8:39 KJV. Thereby, Jesus maintained this SAME distinction Moses made in Genesis 25:1, 2, 3, 4. “Abraham’s seed,” NOT CHILDREN, ONLY instigated Jesus’ crucifixion, (Romans 9:7 KJV, John 8:37 KJV), and were OBVIOUSLY NOT ISRAELITES. Ezra made this same distinction in 1Chronicles 1:28 KJV. “We be Abraham’s
seed and were NEVER in bondage to any man…” (John 8:33 KJV). Who was in bondage to Pharaoh? Can you spell ISRAELITES? Then WHO among Abraham’s SEED were never in bondage seeking Jesus’ crucifixion? Jesus’ own detractors said they were NOT Israelites! Forgive me, PLEASE DON’T GO THERE! That was rhetorical to one so omnipotent. “They” just didn’t have faith, right? Well, let’s all just close our Bibles and listen to how YOUR rendering is only acceptable while you discount Moses, Ezra, Jesus, and Paul.
Those scriptures are telling us the children of Abraham are those who HAVE FAITH.
The word “FAITH” didn’t show up until Romans 9:30, 31, 32, 33, AFTER Paul established WHO the PROMISED SEED were in Romans 9:6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Were “the children of Keturah” the PROMISED SEED (Genesis 25:4)? Were the Ishmaelites the PROMISED SEED?
I said all Israelites are blood related to Abraham, and they are.
Ezra EXcluded Judah’s descendants, via his Canaanite wife (Genesis 38:2, 1Chronicles 2:3), from the TRIBE of Judah (1Chronicles 4:1 KJV) in 1Chronicles 4:21, 22. Were those Shelanites ancestrally intact Israelites, then (Numbers 26:20)?
“Neither because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but in Isaac shall thyseed be called” (Romans 9:7 KJV).
I didn’t seem to hear ‘faith’ mentioned in this verse!
To whom, you? You don’t know sheep from shinola, the same shinola you’ve baptized your own self with thinking 1John 3:9 KJV was talking about you. You think you ARE the Holy Spirit! You think you ARE the second-advent Jesus. What are you so utterly spiritually OVER-compensating for? What huge burden of guilt has Satan thrown in your lap that you have to exalt yourself above the great unwashed? You fulfill Matthew 24:5 KJV, Matthew 24:11 KJV, Matthew 24:23 KJV, Matthew 24:24 KJV.
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