Why Faith NOT Works Counts For Righteousness

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Nameless.In.Grace said:
GT,

Could you help me better understand what Ephesians 2 means in light of your words?

Without abrogating it's meaning with the word obey.

That would be twisting Pauls choice of words, and I know you believe in the absolute integrity of scripture as I do.


8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift— 9 not from works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them.
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I have already explained this to you many times. I will explain it to you again.

FAITH that Jesus' blood cleans us of the sins WE REPENT of is what CLEANS us.

That is all we have to do is have faith that Jesus' blood cleans us of our sins we repent of doing.

The Jews USED to have to CLEAN THEMSELVES by doing various WORKS to CLEAN THEMSELVES including sacrificing animals.

THOSE are the works that Paul was speaking of that no one has to do anymmore.

Paul was NOT saying we are saved by faith and not obeying.

Think about it more.
 
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Robert Pate

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God's Truth said:
You anathema many for doing the right thing.

You are just as outrageous as the Catholics.
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You are a Catholic sympathizer and are closer to the Catholic religion than you are the Christian faith.

No one will be saved by what they do or by what they have become.

"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.
 
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Robert Pate said:
You are a Catholic sympathizer and are closer to the Catholic religion than you are the Christian faith.
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That is so untrue You say that because you are a half sibling to the Calvinists and the two of you fight over who obeys God the least.

Robert Pate said:
No one will be saved by what they do or by what they have become.
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What they have become?

Romans 2:5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.
Robert Pate said:
"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.
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All have sinned and come short means all have sinned and need the blood of the perfect one. That does not mean we do not have to obey and that it doesn't matter.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
"But to him that does no works, but believes on him that Justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

"For if Abraham was justified by works, then he has something to glory about, but not before God. For what does the scripture say, Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that does works is the reward not of grace, but of debt" Romans 4:2-4.

The reason that works does not count for righteousness is because the work of salvation has already been accomplished by the doing and the dying of Jesus. God now sees all that have faith in his Son Jesus Christ as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10. It is not possible to make yourself any better by doing works or trying to be obedient according to the law. Christ is our righteousness, Romans 3:26.

While Jesus was dying on the cross he said... "It is finished". Everything had been accomplished for the salvation of fallen man. The law had been fulfilled and our sins and the sins of the world had been atoned for, 1 John 2:2. Because of Jesus it is now possible for sinners to be justified and reconciled unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
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You teach that a person is saved by their works, by what they do!
 
beloved57

beloved57

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God's Truth said:
That is so untrue You say that because you are a half sibling to the Calvinists and the two of you fight over who obeys God the least.


What they have become?

Romans 2:5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.


All have sinned and come short means all have sinned and need the blood of the perfect one. That does not mean we do not have to obey and that it doesn't matter.
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Both of you teach salvation by works, by what a person does!
 
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