Why Are Birthdays Celebrated Here?

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This is not so much directed towards non-Christians (because being pagans, they are simply practicing their pagan traditions. Although i'm not saying that what they do is right), but rather this is directed to those who are supposedly Christians. Don't you know that the celebration of birthdays, is a pagan tradition? Where in the bible do we find the saints celebrating their birthdays? Imagine Peter having his own birthday cake, and blowing out all the candles; and a party being thrown in his honor to mark his 'special day'. Aren't birthdays egocentric - putting the focus on man, not on God? Has God commanded that Christians should celebrate such pagan traditions as birthdays, Easter and Christmas? No, He has not. So why do you celebrate them? Why do you do that which is destestable in the eyes of God?
 

glorydaz

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This is not so much directed towards non-Christians (because being pagans, they are simply practicing their pagan traditions. Although i'm not saying that what they do is right), but rather this is directed to those who are supposedly Christians. Don't you know that the celebration of birthdays, is a pagan tradition? Where in the bible do we find the saints celebrating their birthdays? Imagine Peter having his own birthday cake, and blowing out all the candles; and a party being thrown in his honor to mark his 'special day'. Aren't birthdays egocentric - putting the focus on man, not on God? Has God commanded that Christians should celebrate such pagan traditions as birthdays, Easter and Christmas? No, He has not. So why do you celebrate them? Why do you do that which is destestable in the eyes of God?

Are you a Jehovah's Witness?


Why do you claim God detests such celebrations?



Romans 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
 

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This is not so much directed towards non-Christians (because being pagans, they are simply practicing their pagan traditions. Although i'm not saying that what they do is right), but rather this is directed to those who are supposedly Christians. Don't you know that the celebration of birthdays, is a pagan tradition?
From one supposed Christian to another supposed Christian, if dental hygiene was discovered and practiced by pagans would you let your teeth fall out?

Where in the bible do we find the saints celebrating their birthdays?
Where in the Bible do we find saints using air conditioning?

Imagine Peter having his own birthday cake, and blowing out all the candles; and a party being thrown in his honor to mark his 'special day'.
:) That's a happy thought.

Aren't birthdays egocentric - putting the focus on man, not on God?
Not inherently. A person can celebrate another year of the journey, a journey God should inhabit and lead. If your life is a partnership with God then nothing is removed from it or should be.

Has God commanded that Christians should celebrate such pagan traditions as birthdays, Easter and Christmas?
They aren't pagan. I'm not a pagan. No one I know who celebrates Christmas is, or Easter. If someone is celebrating something on those dates and they aren't Christians I can guarantee you that whatever they call it, it's something else.

So why do you celebrate them?
I find them joyful celebrations of the glory of God. Now if you don't or can't I would absolutely say you should pass them by, preferably without trying to spoil them for those who do...so it's much like that blanket of food Peter saw in a dream.

Why do you do that which is destestable in the eyes of God?
I don't. But if you think it is, then it is for you and you should follow your conviction.


You mean some loving mothers bake a nice cake for their children on their birthdays?
HORRORS!!!!!
I bet it's devil's food! :shocked:
 

patrick jane

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This is not so much directed towards non-Christians (because being pagans, they are simply practicing their pagan traditions. Although i'm not saying that what they do is right), but rather this is directed to those who are supposedly Christians. Don't you know that the celebration of birthdays, is a pagan tradition? Where in the bible do we find the saints celebrating their birthdays? Imagine Peter having his own birthday cake, and blowing out all the candles; and a party being thrown in his honor to mark his 'special day'. Aren't birthdays egocentric - putting the focus on man, not on God? Has God commanded that Christians should celebrate such pagan traditions as birthdays, Easter and Christmas? No, He has not. So why do you celebrate them? Why do you do that which is destestable in the eyes of God?


i don't think folks here get together and "celebrate", although some may. it's a friendly AND Christian gesture. or pagan, who cares -

you may find new and different things to worry about in your life's journey. they skipped mine here anyway, i don't mind. take care and Happy Birthday ! ! ! -
 
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Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

Not at all.

Why do you claim God detests such celebrations?

Because such celebrations are worldly, and not of God. Those who celebrate such are friends with the world, not friends with God:

'You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.'
(James 4:4)

And:

'For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.'
(1 John 2:16)

Is not the celebration of birthdays an example of the 'pride of life'? Taking pride in one's own life, highly esteeming one's self, but 'that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God.' (Luke 16:15).
 
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"Why Are Birthdays Celebrated Here?"

We like to celebrate the birthdays of friends. Now you go back under your rock, oddball.

goodnight

Do what you like to do then. But don't get upset when negative consequences occur.
 

Nazaroo

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Where in the bible do we find the saints celebrating their birthdays?
Seriously: Have you actually read the Bible?

There are a whole string of annual celebrations and festivals.

Some are religious, some are historical, some are national.

Were all those good practices that God either ordained (like sabbaths)
or allowed (like the celebration of the virginity of whats-his-name's daughter), were they pagan or ungodly?

Lighten up motro.

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From one supposed Christian to another supposed Christian, if dental hygiene was discovered and practiced by pagans would you let your teeth fall out?

Don't mistake me for thinking that all pagan creations are abominable, and that we ought not to have anything to do with the things they produce or concoct. Pagans do many good things, and have produced many good things. But they also do many detestable things, which Christians ought not to follow.

Where in the Bible do we find saints using air conditioning?


Obviously they didn't. Air conditioning was not yet invented. But the tradition of birthdays was well established in biblical times. Genesis 40:20-22 makes record of perhaps one of the earliest birthday celebrations - Pharoh's birthday. Now, was Pharoh a saint?

Imagine Peter having his own birthday cake, and blowing out all the candles; and a party being thrown in his honor to mark his 'special day'.
That's a happy thought.


The fact that such a thought is happy to you, says alot about you.

Not inherently. A person can celebrate another year of the journey, a journey God should inhabit and lead. If your life is a partnership with God then nothing is removed from it or should be.


You see your life as a partnership with God? Were were you when you were first brought into existence? Seems like He did that part all by Himself.

They aren't pagan. I'm not a pagan. No one I know who celebrates Christmas is, or Easter. If someone is celebrating something on those dates and they aren't Christians I can guarantee you that whatever they call it, it's something else.


Yes they are. They have pagan origins. Read up about the history of those celebrations, and find out for yourself. Perhaps you might to start with birthdays: http://www.triumphpro.com/birthdays-origin.htm

I find them joyful celebrations of the glory of God.


In what way(s) are you glorifying God, by celebrating them?

Now if you don't or can't I would absolutely say you should pass them by, preferably without trying to spoil them for those who do...so it's much like that blanket of food Peter saw in a dream.

I suppose you think that Peter's vision meant that all animals are fit for consumption.
 

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Don't mistake me for thinking that all pagan creations are abominable, and that we ought not to have anything to do with the things they produce or concoct.
Glad to hear it.

Pagans do many good things, and have produced many good things. But they also do many detestable things, which Christians ought not to follow.
I'd argue that isn't what's happening at Easter, or Christmas or with birthdays any more than marriage recognized by the state would necessarily be a pagan institution if they'd thought up the notion or form in relation to the state.

Obviously they didn't. Air conditioning was not yet invented.
So there are things that can be completely acceptable that weren't stamped by the church fathers.

But the tradition of birthdays was well established in biblical times. Genesis 40:20-22 makes record of perhaps one of the earliest birthday celebrations - Pharoh's birthday. Now, was Pharoh a saint?
Of course not. But we've already established that not everything a pagan does is inherently bad or forbidden.

re: Jews celebrating birthdays
The fact that such a thought is happy to you, says alot about you.
First, it says that I don't agree with your objection to celebrating a birthday and that I find the thought of a joyful celebration (one I noted should be an extension of the life lived for and with God) as a good thing. Secondly, I think you diminish joy without reason or warrant. Won't impact grace and as I said before, if you're determined to think the worst of it by all means steer clear of what would be a sin you've made for yourself.

You see your life as a partnership with God? Were were you when you were first brought into existence? Seems like He did that part all by Himself.
I think that if a person, anyone, really wants to try hard enough to insinuate something negative about nearly anything they can, but what a waste of time and energy.

My life is a partnership in the best possible sense, in that I walk through it directed by and in relation with Him, being mindful of that and of Him, if imperfectly. It isn't an equal partnership, of course, but that's only common sense. Not something a Christian should have to explain to another, really.

re: the moral high-ground holiday tug of war
Yes they are
No, they aren't.

Again, no pagan is going to tell you that he's off to celebrate the resurrection of Christ or his birth. Neither a tree nor a calendar date alters the truth of what a Christian is about during either period.

In what way(s) are you glorifying God, by celebrating them?
How is celebrating the birth of Christ or his resurrection glorifying God? Really? Or are you back to birthdays?

I suppose you think that Peter's vision meant that all animals are fit for consumption.
My understanding is in alignment with Cambridge Commentary: "What God hath cleansed, that call [make] not thou common] The heaven-sent voice revokes what had been enjoined from heaven at the giving of the Law. The power which made the restriction can remove it. That it would be removed Christ had intimated (Matthew 15:11), “Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man.” The old dispensation is now to give place to the new, and Peter is taught by the vision that men are not to make such distinctions and separations for themselves. “For meat destroy not the work of God” (Romans 14:20)."

You?
 
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Quetzal

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Birthdays are important to any culture. Let's think about it. The fact that you exist, that you are who you are, is an amazing thing. The likes of which will never happen again. Your existence is the product of your ancestors dating back thousands of years. So many things had to go perfectly right (and wrong) for you to be sitting right where you are, right now, reading this post. Any deviation and you don't exist.

That, in itself, is worth celebrating. Now, think of our world. It is dangerous. Anything can take you out at any time. Disease, malicious intent, a bear, volcano, a wayward motor vehicle, or even a stampede of rabid squirrels. Every day you are alive is the product you beating the odds and surviving where many others have not. Now, do that 365 times in a row. Not too shabby, right?

You are the product of a statistical anomaly that spans hundreds of thousands of years. Your existence is important and the years you are alive are important, too. While a birthday celebration might be rooted in something outside of Christian tradition, does not discredit its importance within a Christian tradition (or any tradition for that matter).

Just my two cents.
 
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This is not so much directed towards non-Christians (because being pagans, they are simply practicing their pagan traditions. Although i'm not saying that what they do is right), but rather this is directed to those who are supposedly Christians. Don't you know that the celebration of birthdays, is a pagan tradition? Where in the bible do we find the saints celebrating their birthdays? Imagine Peter having his own birthday cake, and blowing out all the candles; and a party being thrown in his honor to mark his 'special day'. Aren't birthdays egocentric - putting the focus on man, not on God? Has God commanded that Christians should celebrate such pagan traditions as birthdays, Easter and Christmas? No, He has not. So why do you celebrate them? Why do you do that which is destestable in the eyes of God?
I see no evidence in support of your conjecture that birthdays are pagan celebrations.

We, who celebrate birthdays here, who are Christians are not cultists. That's why we celebrate.

i don't think folks here get together and "celebrate", although some may. it's a friendly AND Christian gesture. or pagan, who cares -

you may find new and different things to worry about in your life's journey. they skipped mine here anyway, i don't mind. take care and Happy Birthday ! ! ! -
Is your birthday public to TOL?
 

patrick jane

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I see no evidence in support of your conjecture that birthdays are pagan celebrations.

We, who celebrate birthdays here, who are Christians are not cultists. That's why we celebrate.


Is your birthday public to TOL?

no i think mods only, but i did put my b-day there -

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Delmar

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Don't mistake me for thinking that all pagan creations are abominable, and that we ought not to have anything to do with the things they produce or concoct. Pagans do many good things, and have produced many good things. But they also do many detestable things, which Christians ought not to follow.
So what is detestable about marking a milestone in a person's life? That is after all what we are doing when we celebrate a birthday.
 
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