Hi and give a verse for that ASSERTION ?
The Mystery is written by only Paul in Rom 16:25 and Col 1:25-26 !!
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Hi and give a verse for that ASSERTION ?
The Mystery is written by only Paul in Rom 16:25 and Col 1:25-26 !!
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The dispensation of the grace of God started with Paul and is still going on today. Shocking news there andy.
That must have been why Paul called them "O foolish Galatians".
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Paul tells us we can be cut off too.
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1 Peter 1:10-12 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.
2 Peter 1:19 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Hebrews 7:11 [ Jesus Like Melchizedek ] If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
Hebrews 12:2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
James 1:25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.
1 Peter 4:5-6 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.
1 Peter 3:18-19 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
Luke 2:32
a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and the glory of your people Israel."
Acts 13:47
For this is what the Lord has commanded us: "'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.'"
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You can be, because you don't accept the gospel of the grace of God.
In your prior post hereinabove, you wrote "Paul in Rom 1:1 was preaching the GOSPEL OF GOD and was LIMITED to that GOSPEL ONLY !!"
Looks like you have your own version of the hybrid that people like STP and company assert about that passage.
They erroneously assert that phrase "gospel of God" does not refer to "the gospel of Christ" Paul later makes mention of in that same chapter
They erroneously assert that the phrase "the gospel of God" only refers to Jesus having been Israel's Prophesied Christ.
In contrast, you erroneously assert that phrase "the gospel of God" refers to the Mystery that Paul preached.
You're both off - the phrase "the gospel of Christ" is an all encompassing phrase under which all prior, progressive in nature, gospels from God "concerning His Son" fall under.
Paul's gospel under that umbrella phrase "the gospel of God...concerning His Son" being that aspect "concerning His Son...which was kept secret since the world began, but now" with and through the Apostle Paul alone...was being "made manifest."
You guys all need to go back to Basic Reading Comprehension 101 :chuckle:
Rom. 5:8.
And you don't live by it's grace towards her, nor anyone else you look down your nose at as being not of your fool number. Hypocrite.
Rom. 5:8.
Nope.
As is the case throughout the history of God's dealings with men; so too, in Romans 11.
Just as, say, in Noah's day, where God withdrew His offer at some point, so too, in Romans 11
When He cuts off His offer or call, one day, those who had rejected it, will be cut off from said offer.
2 Thessalonians 2 then takes up where that offer ends.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Offer - Cut Off Point - Wrath.
That is the pattern throughout the Scripture.
Rom. 5:8.
Hi and you are promoting a NEW KIND of CULT called HYBRID and then insult Paul and say that Rom 1:1 is HYBRID , when there is no such theological position , not found in the bible , sounds CALLOW to me !!
There are many EUGANELIONS / GOOD NEWS , GOOD TIDINGS and BAD NEWS in the bible and you have stumbled on a new one HYBRID , so what do you call your-self , a DISYHYBRID ??
Lets name them :
#1, My Gospel , Rom 2:16 !
#2 , Gospel of Christ , used 11 times by only Paul in Rom 1:16 , 15:19 , and 29 , 1Cor 9:12 and 18 , 2 Cor 9:13 , 10:14 , Gal 1:7 , Phil 1:27 , 1 Thess 3:2 and is called this because it came from the RISEN Christ !!
#3 The Gospel of Peace , Rom 10:15 and Eph 6:15 !!
#4, The Gospel of His Son , Rom 1:9!!
#5, The Gospel pf God , Rom 15:16 , 2 Cor 11:7 !!
#6 The Gospel of THE UN-CIRCUMCISION , Gal 2:7 !!
#7 The Gospel of your salvation , Eph 1:13 !!
And what about Rom 5:14 , what will you call this NEWS , THE SHEEPBRID ??
So what kind of HYBRID are you ?
Looks like a lot of Good News and we have not talked about the BAD NEWS /EUGANELION in the bible !!
Like Rev 14:6-7 , have we ??
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Paul said they the saved Gentiles could be cut off too.
It is not about God's wrath.
God can throw people out, Matthew 22:13, blot people out, Exodus 32:32-33, remove your lampstand, Revelation 2:5, sign you a place with unbelievers, Luke 12:46, and cut you off, Romans 11:19-21
If we cannot be cut off, even though the scriptures say we can be---tell me why we are told HOW TO remain in him, how not to be cut off?
We are told how to remain in Jesus, John 6:56, and if we do Jesus will remain in us, John 15:4. Jesus tells us of the good if we remain in him, John 15:5, and of the bad when we do not, John 15:6. Jesus exhorts us to remain in him, John 15:9, 10, Acts 14:22, and 1 John 2:24.
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Gentiles as a whole, not as individuals in Christ.
Hi and the reason believers in the AGE of Grace ARE/ESTE , PRESENT TENSE are always " in Christ " as written in Gal 3:28 !!
The Greek PRESENT TENSE means CONTINUOUS ACTION as Gal 3:28 says !!
In Rom 11:19 -21 it is speahing to the Gentiles in the MILLENNIAL Kingdom as the B O C has DEPARTED from earth as written in 1 Thess 4:13-18 and in 1 Cor 15:51=58 !!
Some call it the RAPTURE but it means a DEPARTURE !!
dan p
Lol - where'd you get that about Rom. 11:19-21 - certainly not from the Apostle Paul.
He is warning both Body members and Gentiles in general, that Gentiles in general, stand by faith.
He is warning of how that Gentiles in general will be cut off from the offer of salvation by faith (in the Cross of Christ) during this Mystery Age; when said offer is removed, and things go back to finishing up the Prophesied aspect of God's plan and purpose.
Said offer works just like the offer of salvation by faith(that Jesus was the Christ and King of the Earth) prior to the offer under Paul, that unbelieving Israelites having failed to avail themselves of (Christ as their Messiah King), were cut off from, when said offer was cut off.
This is why the cutting off is possible - he is warning all during this age, about those who, as with unbelieving Israel in Romans 2 and 3, turn out having been in unbelief - that THEY should fear; for they will be cut off when said offer is withdrawn; because it is temporary...
Which is why we then read...
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And why when he returns to the above, prior to that passage, he relates...
Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
That right there, is this here, about both...
Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Thus, why the "be not wise...in your own conceits" as unbelieving Israel had been, "but fear..."
Rom. 5:8.
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No. Jews as a whole did not get cut off. Paul was a Jew.
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It is about people getting cut off not whole nations. God does not save and condemn whole nations unless the whole nation is bad.
Don't you remember what Abraham said to God before God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah?
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
Hi and it takes a dispensationalist to understand what Paul is talking about ,referenced in 2 Peter 3:15 and 16 , so read those verses !
If a person is " in Christ " , the Greek word ARE / ESTE is in the PRESENT TENSE of continuous action amd means you are forever SAVED or OSAS !!
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Nope. You're putting the cart before the horse, bro.
Darby was not "a Dispensationalist" when he first started out.
Neither was O'Hair.
Neither was I.
You are erroneously suggesting exactly what the Dispy is often erroneously accused of by his enemies - that the Dispy comes to the Scripture with his "Dispensational Bias" already in place.
That might be your lens; DP. It is not mine.
I leave the Dispensationalism at the door - each and every time I study.
If it is still there after I am through with my study, I embrace it once more; if it is not; I attend to that.
Case in point - when it comes to arriving at the actual sense, say, of 1 Cor. 2's "comparing spiritual things with spiritual" many a "Dispensationalist" only end up revealing their obviously poor study approach; if they even have a consistently sound one, to begin with.
Actual, sound, objective study of that passage reveals that is is actually Dispensational.
In contrast, many a so called "Dispensationalist" inconsistently concludes that Paul is talking about comparing Scripture with Scripture.
Which is ludicrous, because he was talking about brand spankin new, never before revealed information (or visions) given his spirit by the Spirit of God.
He even says the information he is talking about was not previously revealed; and that it has been revealed to him.
Meaning, not only was he not even talking about comparing the Scriptures with one another; but what exactly would he have had to compare his revelation with - it was new information.
Here is a case where "being a Dispensationalist" going in, is actually a hindrance, rather than a help.
If "being a Dispensationalist" means merely parroting what some teacher one was overly impressed by, was nevertheless, off about.
Or if it means not actually studying things out anew; each time.
Recall that I defined "a hybrid" as a fusing together of two things that are different; and that doing so can turn out either sound or unsound.
Paul is actually asserting that he is righlty fusing together those words that might aptly describe the imagery of the things of God that the Spirit has revealed to Paul's spirit.
Fusing or pairing those two things together, is what that EARLY Modern English use of the word phrase "comparing...with" is also referring to - by its use, within Paul's narrative, there.
Paul's would be a sound "hybrid" of those two - of his God given imagery, together with his God given word descriptions of said imagery.
He is actually asserting once more, his distinctly unique God given Apostleship.
What does many a so called "Dispensationalist" do with that passage?
They end up at their own "hybrid" or fusing together of things that are different.
In their case, an unsound one.
Either they sloppily parrot what they heard from someone else on that passage; or if they actually attempt to study it out - read their LATER Modern English into the phrase "comparing...with."
Personally, I find it difficult to respect much that such individuals assert is supposedly sound.
No, bro; it is best to leave all bias - including the "Dispensational" one, at the door.
Nehemiah 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
8:12 And all the people went their way to eat, and to drink, and to send portions, and to make great mirth, because they had understood the words that were declared unto them.
Rom. 5:8