SaulToPaul 2
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Leviticus 16
Lord's goat- died for the sins
Scapegoat- took away the sins
Stop lying about God's word.
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Leviticus 16
Lord's goat- died for the sins
Scapegoat- took away the sins
Stop lying about God's word.
God's Truth
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Where is Jesus called a goat?
HisServant
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It seems you need to go back and study the Old Testament and discern the archetypes that the sacrifices and festivals represented and that how they pointed in the coming of the Messiah.
As far as the scapegoat, reading Leviticus 16 would be a good start... and use your noodle when you read it.
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No, show where Jesus is called a goat.
In the Gospel of Barnabas, a third-century text, talks of the villagers who "spit" their sins upon an unblemished goat and then drive it out into the wilderness to get rid of the sin.
The interesting thing is that the verse specifies that the people are to get a length of reed and use that to beat the goat from the village.
It was this very act that the gospel writers added to their story of the Passion. Any first-century Jew would more than likely pick up on the parallel resonance.
The gospel writers were true literary masters. They knew exactly what they were doing and why.
There were two goats involved with the day of atonement.
Are you going to claim that neither of them represent Christ because Jesus was not specifically called a goat?
Both goats had to be spotless. (A clear indication that both could only represent Christ.)
Leviticus 16 KJV
(21) And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
(22) And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
(21) And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
(22) And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
God's Truth
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The Bible says Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. That is what the Bible says.
Jesus came as a Lamb not as a goat.
HisServant
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He had to be the goat first before he could be the lamb.
He took all our sins upon himself (just as the scapegoats did for Israel) and was sent into the wilderness (handed over to the Romans) and then was led like a lamb to the slaughter.
He fulfilled the archetypes and prophesies about himself.
God's Truth
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The Bible says clearly that Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Just believe...
SaulToPaul 2
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Of course he is.
You lie when you say John said he was the sacrificial lamb that takes away the sin of the world.
Why would you add that?
God's Truth
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That is too bad that you do not believe that Jesus is the sacrifice.
Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood--to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--
Hebrews 9:28
so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:10
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
HisServant
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I do, we are just pointing out how you have such a limited understanding of scripture and you need to do a lot more research before you can talk intelligently about it.
The Day of Atonement foreshadowed the atonement that Christ would make on the cross for us.
The more you study, you will find that scripture has a much deeper meaning than a novice sees by just reading it like an instruction book (which it isn't, BTW... the scriptures are a WITNESS to Jesus' work on the cross, just as we are called to be WITNESSES to Jesus' work).
The above was of great significance to the Jews because they lived this every year.
SaulToPaul 2
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I do.
But that is not what John the Baptist said.
You should stop lying about what he said.
God's Truth
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The Bible says Jesus is the Lamb of God.
The Bible does not say Jesus is the goat of God.
God's Truth
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You are the one lying by insinuating that John does not believe Jesus was a sacrifice.
HisServant
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Look above, I edited my post.
You seem to have an issue understanding just how Jesus fulfilled the prophesy about himself... and the importance of the Jewish rituals and feasts that pointed to him.
HisServant
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Jesus, last I remember was a HUMAN.. not a lamb. Do you not understand symbology?
He is also the Chief Cornerstone, Firstborn over all creation, head of the church, Holy One, Judge, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Light of the world, Prince of Peace, Son of God, Son of Man, Word, Word of God, Word of Life, Alpha and Omega, Emmanuel, I AM, Lord of All, True God, Author and Perfecter of our Faith, Bread of Life, Bridegroom, Deliverer, Good Shepherd, High Priest, Lamb of God, Mediator, Rock, Resurrection and Life, Savior, True Vine The Way the Truth and the Life.
SaulToPaul 2
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God's Truth
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You don't have God's Truth, so what else are you going to do?
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You can try make it sound as if you did not mean what you said, however, nowhere anywhere is Jesus called a goat.