When did the Israelites destroy Jericho.

beameup

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And Kathleen Kenyon gives you the correct date of the destruction of Jericho, of which, the results of her findings were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BCE.
I figured that you would be unaware of the fact that the radiocarbon
testing equipment used by Kenyon was later proven to be out of calibration.
I guess ignorance is bliss.

God doesn't lie or mislead; though athiests try to disprove his Word,
His Word is reliable and gives us the date of the Exodus as 1450 BC.

PS: The Hyksos were indeed Semites from Mesopotamia, and came down and conquered Lower Egypt. The Hebrews were also Semites, and Joseph and family were welcomed and trusted by their fellow (light skinned) Semite conquerors.
 

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I figured that you would be unaware of the fact that the radiocarbon
testing equipment used by Kenyon was later proven to be out of calibration.
I guess ignorance is bliss.

God doesn't lie or mislead; though athiests try to disprove his Word,
His Word is reliable and gives us the date of the Exodus as 1450 BC.

PS: The Hyksos were indeed Semites from Mesopotamia, and came down and conquered Lower Egypt. The Hebrews were also Semites, and Joseph and family were welcomed and trusted by their fellow (light skinned) Semite conquerors.

And what do you reckon the new radiocarbon tests reveal as the true date of the destruction of Jericho?

The Walls of Jericho: A stratum of burnt matter relating to the City-IV destruction has been dated to 1617–1530 BC at the end of the Middle Bronze Age. It contains remains of The Walls of Jericho, which were destroyed either by an earthquake or a siege. Opinions are divided as to whether this destruction corresponds to that described in the Bible. According to the biblical account the Israelites destroyed the city after its walls fell down in around 1407 BC. Excavations led by John Garstang in 1930 dated the destruction of Jericho to 1400 BC, which would confirm the biblical story. However, the site was re-excavated by Kathleen Kenyon in the 1950s and the destruction of the walls was redated to around 1550 BC. Bryant G. Wood later reviewed Kenyon’s field notes and made a number of criticisms of her work. Wood found a number of ambiguities in the investigations and he also pointed to results of carbon 14 tests on a burnt stratum that dated the layer to 1410 BC, with a margin of error of 40 years. Wood’s conclusions therefore confirmed Garstang’s original estimates. HOWEVER, the carbon dating result was a consequence of an incorrect calibration. In 1995 Hendrik J. Bruins and Johannes van der Plicht used a high precision radiocarbon dating test on 18 samples from Jericho, including six samples of carbonized cereal from the burnt stratum. The results of these tests gave the age of the strata as 1562 BC, with a margin of error of 38 years. These results therefore confirm Kenyon's estimate and cast doubt on the biblical story. (Of those who deny that the Hyksos/the shepherd Kings were the Israelites who departed Egypt in 1567 B.C. and destroyed Jericho 40 years later.)

Beameup wrote.......I figured that you would be unaware of the fact that the radiocarbon testing equipment used by Kenyon was later proven to be out of calibration. I guess ignorance is bliss.

S-word.........As shown above, It was the erroneous carbon dating results of your chosen expert Bryant G, WOOD that was the consequence of an incorrect calibration, my poor little ignorant friend.

In 1995 Hendrik J. Bruins and Johannes van der Plicht used a 'HIGH PRECISION' radiocarbon dating test on 18 samples from Jericho, including six samples of carbonized cereal from the burnt stratum. The results of these tests gave the age of the strata as 1562 BC, with a margin of error of 38 years. Proving that Jericho did not exist in 1410 B.C. and proving that you do not know what you are talking about.

So give it up mate, or continue to prove to all, that you are more ignorant than was first thought.
 

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How many times was Jericho destroyed and rebuilt.

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Which Jericho? There was an "original Jericho" and later another "Jericho" which was built adjacent to the "original Jericho" (mentioned in the Gospels).
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And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that rises up and rebuilds this city Jericho - Joshua 6:26
 
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beameup

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Kathleen Kenyon's archeological work was PHONY. She was out to discredit the Bible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYT1Rb2wkQw

BTW, pottery shards and other artifacts yield much more accurate dating than the so-called "carbon dating"
For example, a wood beam would yield when it grew by "carbon dating", even though it would then be used for hundreds of years following.
 

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Kathleen Kenyon's archeological work was PHONY. She was out to discredit the Bible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYT1Rb2wkQw

BTW, pottery shards and other artifacts yield much more accurate dating than the so-called "carbon dating"
For example, a wood beam would yield when it grew by "carbon dating", even though it would then be used for hundreds of years following.

Yea! When you pull the wood beam out of your eye, you will come to realise the truth, that the shepherd kings were the Israelites as revealed by Josepheus and Eusebius the historians, and that they Left Egypt sometime around 1567, some 40 years before Jericho was destroyed.
 

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God knocked down the wall; not the Israelites. The date of the earthquake is the right date.

the Dead Sea sediment core has a distinctive mixed sediment layer at a depth of 15.1 feet that is evidence of a big earthquake at about 1400 B.C.
 

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There's still a Jericho. The pamphlets they give tourists say its the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world.

Of course, there are a dozen other cities that claim the same thing...

I believe you are mistaken. It is Damascus that is the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world (4,000 years).
Jericho is totally an archeological (and protected) site, with holes and excavations everywhere, but no occupants.
 

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Kathleen Kenyon's archeological work was PHONY. She was out to discredit the Bible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYT1Rb2wkQw

BTW, pottery shards and other artifacts yield much more accurate dating than the so-called "carbon dating"
For example, a wood beam would yield when it grew by "carbon dating", even though it would then be used for hundreds of years following.

Bemeup wrote.........I figured that you would be unaware of the fact that the radiocarbon testing equipment used by Kenyon was later proven to be out of calibration. I guess ignorance is bliss.

S-word Responded.........Bryant G. Wood later reviewed Kenyon’s field notes and made a number of criticisms of her work. Wood found a number of ambiguities in the investigations and he also pointed to results of carbon 14 tests on a burnt stratum that dated the layer to 1410 BC, with a margin of error of 40 years. Wood’s conclusions therefore confirmed Garstang’s original estimates. HOWEVER, the carbon dating result (By Wood) was a consequence of an incorrect calibration.

In 1995 Hendrik J. Bruins and Johannes van der Plicht used a 'HIGH PRECISION' radiocarbon dating test on 18 samples from Jericho, including six samples of carbonized cereal from the burnt stratum. The results of these tests gave the age of the strata as 1562 BC, with a margin of error of 38 years.

Would you please reveal who the ignoramus was in this instance? Was it, or was it not, Bryant G. Wood's radiocarbon calibrations which dated the destruction of Jericho at 1410 B.C. incorrect, and not Kathleen Kenyon's results as you in your ignorance suggested?

I await your answer.
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The Biblical record is clear, the Exodus occurred in 1450 (or 1446, some conclude).
So, did the Hebrews, while in slavery in Egypt, sneak into Canaan and destroy Jericho
150 years earlier than the Exodus? :rotfl:

Kathleen Kenyon's archeology was totally centered on pottery. She looked for a type
of pottery that was commonly IMPORTED and found NONE. Therefore, she concluded that Jericho must have been destroyed 150 years BEFORE the Biblical date of 1410 (1406 some conclude).
Prior archeological research, and later archeological research concluded that Jericho was
destroyed around 1410. Kenyon's conclusions were erroneous.
 

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The Biblical record is clear, the Exodus occurred in 1450 (or 1446, some conclude).
So, did the Hebrews, while in slavery in Egypt, sneak into Canaan and destroy Jericho
150 years earlier than the Exodus? :rotfl:

Kathleen Kenyon's archeology was totally centered on pottery. She looked for a type
of pottery that was commonly IMPORTED and found NONE. Therefore, she concluded that Jericho must have been destroyed 150 years BEFORE the Biblical date of 1410 (1406 some conclude).
Prior archeological research, and later archeological research concluded that Jericho was
destroyed around 1410. Kenyon's conclusions were erroneous.

Beameup wrote.........The Biblical record is clear, the Exodus occurred in 1450 (or 1446, some conclude).

S-word..........The Bible states in Exodus 12: 40; that the Israelites had lived in Egypt for 430 years. 41 On the day the 430 years ended all the tribes of Israel left Egypt.

While Paul, in Galatians 3: 17; states that there was a period of 430 years, between the time when God first made his covenant with Abraham, who was then 85 years old, until the Law was given through Moses immediately after the Exodus.

And the Hebrew bible, reveals that there was a period of 430 years from when Abraham entered Canan at the age of 75, until the Exodus.

So which of these biblical records makes it clear to you that the exodus occurred in 1450 B.C.?

Beameup wrote..........So, did the Hebrews, while in slavery in Egypt, sneak into Canaan and destroy Jericho 150 years earlier than the Exodus?

S-word.........To begin with, the Hebrews are the descendants of Heber, and not all the descendants of Heber are Israelites, only those who are the descendants of Jacob, whose name was changed to ‘ISRAEL.’

And the shepherd kings=Hyksos were the Israelites, who departed Egypt in 1567 B. C. and who destroyed Jericho 40years later

beameup wrote..........Kathleen Kenyon's archeology was totally centered on pottery. She looked for a type of pottery that was commonly IMPORTED and found NONE. Therefore, she concluded that Jericho must have been destroyed 150 years BEFORE the Biblical date of 1410 (1406 some conclude).

S-word..........In 1995 Hendrik J. Bruins and Johannes van der Plicht used a 'HIGH PRECISION' radiocarbon dating test on 18 samples from Jericho, ‘INCLUDING SIX SAMPLES OF CARBONISED CEREAL FROM THE BURNT STRATUM.’ The results of these tests gave the age of the strata as 1562 BC, with a margin of error of 38 years.

Please reveal how many pieces of pottery were radiocarbon tested?

In post #5 beameup wrote..........A comprehensive new survey of (archaeologist) Kenyon’s evidence at Jericho, however, has led author Bryant Wood to conclude that a walled city existed at Jericho until about 1400 B.C.E. when it was destroyed in a conquest. How wrong she/he was?

Beameup wrote...........Prior archeological research, and later archeological research concluded that Jericho was destroyed around 1410. Kenyon's conclusions were erroneous.

S-word............Prior archeological investigation of the site of Jericho was carried out by Charles Warren in 1868, but amounted to no more than a site-survey (Warren's prime interest was in establishing the modern equivalents of Biblical locales). In 1907-09 and again in 1911 digging was carried out by two German archaeologists, Carl Watzinger and Ernest Sellin. Watzinger and Sellin believed that they would be able to validate the Biblical story of Jericho's destruction by Joshua and the Israelites, but concluded instead that the data indicated that the city was unoccupied at the time which the Bible indicated for the Conquest.

These results were tested in 1930-36 by John Garstang, at the suggestion of William F. Albright, the doyen of Palestinian archaeology at the time. Garstang discovered the remains of a network of collapsed walls which he dated to about 1400 BCE, the time he believed the Israelites were on their conquest, that had apparently fallen in a dramatic fashion as opposed to being ruined by abandonment or decay from natural forces. Garstang's work thus reversed the conclusions of the earlier diggings.

Then, along came Kathleen Kenyon, whose archeological results proved all those prior investigations to be wrong.

Later archeological research by Bryant G. Wood (beameup’s champion) who reviewed Kenyon’s field notes and made a number of criticisms of her work, claims that he found a number of ambiguities in the investigations and he also pointed to results of carbon 14 tests on a burnt stratum that dated the layer to 1410 BC, with a margin of error of 40 years. Wood’s conclusions therefore confirmed Garstang’s original erroneous estimates. HOWEVER, the carbon dating result (By Wood) was a consequence of an incorrect calibration.

Then, in 1995 Hendrik J. Bruins and Johannes van der Plicht used a 'HIGH PRECISION' radiocarbon dating test on 18 samples from Jericho, including six samples of carbonized cereal from the burnt stratum. The results of these tests gave the age of the strata as 1562 BC, with a margin of error of 38 years. Those results still stand today.

Beameup wrote.........I figured that you would be unaware of the fact that the radiocarbon testing equipment used by Kenyon was later proven to be out of calibration. I guess ignorance is bliss.

S-word Responds.........Would you please reveal who the ignoramus was in this instance? Was it, or was it not, Bryant G. Wood's incorrect radiocarbon calibrations which dated the destruction of Jericho at 1410 B.C. , and not Kathleen Kenyon's results as you, in your ignorance suggested?
 

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The Hyksos were a Semitic people who gained a foothold in Egypt c. 1782 BCE, and their capitol was at the city of Tanis in Lower Egypt. Their name, Heqau-khasut, translates as "Rulers of Foreign Lands" (given by the Greeks as Hyksos). They spoke and wrote a Semitic language.
The main source of information on the Hyksos in Egypt comes from the 3rd century BCE Egyptian writer Manetho whose work has been lost but was extensively quoted by later writers, notably Flavius Josephus (37- c. 100 CE). Manetho's flawed understanding of the meaning of the Hyksos' name, and Josephus' further misinterpretation gives the translation of 'Hyksos' as "Shepherd Kings".

The capitol of Lower Egypt under the Semitic Hyksos was Tanis
and the Semitic Hebrews were given the city of Avaris. Recent archeology
correctly identifies this.

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From the Septugint Exodus 12:40; And the sojourning of the children of Israel, while they sojourned in the land of Mizraim{gr.Egypt} and the land of Canaan{gr.Chanaan}, [was] four hundred and thirty years.

Abraham entered the land of Canaan, which was named after the son of Ham, who illegally took control of the land that was allocated to Shem and his descendants by Noah, when he was 75 years old.

25 years later he became the father of Isaac, who at the age of 60 fathered Jacob whose name was changed to Israel and Israel entered Egypt in 1782 B.C. when Israel was 130, where Israel dwelt until they were expelled in 1567 B.C. 430 years after Abraham had entered the land of KEM.

25+60+130=215 Years from when Abraham entered the Land of Ham and his descendants, 225 years later, in 1567 B.C. Israel left Egypt, which was 430 years after Abraham had left his father in Haran and entered the land that God had promised to give to him.

How long were the Hyksos in Egypt?
 

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How long were the Hyksos in Egypt?

The Semitic "Hyksos" invaded and ruled Lower Egypt prior to the Semite Joseph arriving there. That's why Joseph was initially given preferential treatment in the King's court, and later was made Prime Minister.

The Semitic "Hyksos" were later overthrown by the "true Egyptians" who had been pushed out of Lower Egypt and had set up the kingdom of Middle Egypt. This occurred just prior to Moses. This why the new Pharaoh "knew not (about) Joseph".

At this time in Egyptian history, the populated Nile region was divided into three kingdoms:
Lower Egypt - Semitic Kingdom ruling in the Delta in northern Egypt.
Middle Egypt - true Egyptians ruling in the middle part of the Nile Valley
Upper Egypt - dark-skinned Nubians ruling in the southern part of the Nile Valley

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I believe you are mistaken. It is Damascus that is the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world (4,000 years).

Jericho is totally an archeological (and protected) site, with holes and excavations everywhere, but no occupants.
Like I said, there are a number of cities that make that claim.

As for Jericho, yes there is still a city. I had a cup of (ungodly strong) turkish coffee there when I visited in 1994.

Here's an aerial view of the city and discussion of its status as oldest city: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=5462.
 

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Like I said, there are a number of cities that make that claim.

As for Jericho, yes there is still a city. I had a cup of (ungodly strong) turkish coffee there when I visited in 1994.

Here's an aerial view of the city and discussion of its status as oldest city: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=5462.

Thanks. Like I noted before, there were two Jericho's, the "old Jericho" which is an archeological site, and the "new Jericho" which was established nearby and mentioned in the Gospels. Tell es-Sultan is the Old Jericho.
And they came to Jericho: and as he went out of Jericho with his disciples and a great number of people, blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus, sat by the highway side begging. - Mark 10:46
And it came to pass, that as he was approaching Jericho, a certain blind man sat by the way side begging: - Luke 18:35
The blind man was in between the two Jericho's. Jesus healed the blind man going out of "Jericho" and coming into "Jericho".
 

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Kathleen Kenyon's effort to discredit the Biblical account has failed.
The later work of Dr. Wood matches the Biblical account.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYrSkikZhxI

Forget about your champion "Dr WOOD" he was wrong before, with his Radiocarbon tests that were out of Calibration, and he is wrong in his attempts to disprove the words of the Lord, which reveal that there was a period of 430 years, from the day that Abraham entered the lands of Ham and his descendant Canaan, until the Exodus in 1567 B.C. Where, after 40 years from the Exodus, the Israelite shepherds destroyed Jericho as proven conclusively by the 'HIGH PRECISION' radiocarbon dating test on 18 samples from Jericho, including six samples of carbonized cereal from the burnt stratum, in 1995 by Hendrik J. Bruins and Johannes van der Plicht. The results of these tests gave the age of the strata as 1562 BC, with a margin of error of 38 years, confirming Kathleen Kenyon's results which still stand today, and proving that Josephus the Historian was also correct in revealing that the Israelites departed Egypt in 1567 B.C.

How long do you believe that the Shepherd kings were actually in the Land of Egypt, where Joseph was given rulership, of that country, by the then Egyptian King, and not some Hyksos king, and who made slaves of all the Egyptians without striking a blow?

And how long does your champion 'Dr Wood' believe that they were in Egypt, which would determine the date that he 'THINKS' that Jericho was destroyed.

Does he erroneously believe that the descendants of Jacob/Israel, were in Egypt for 430 years?
 
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