What Would Be The Essential Components of Ensuring Eternal Life in Heaven.
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WAIT!
You're the idiot that believes he doesn't ever sin!
What the Hell am I doing even talking to you at all?
Do not respond to any of my other posts. I won't read it.
You aren't a Christian at all. You belong to a cult. You will go to Hell if you do not repent. Every breath you take furthers your sin!
Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works. (James 2:18)
The only thing I am proud of is the Lord Jesus Christ, who died for my sins.
He, my example, endured faithfully until His end.
I pray I may do so also.
As Paul's only wrote against the works of the Law, ie., circumcision, sabbath keeping, and dietary requirements mostly, it is ludicrous to think simple Godliness would be under that "works" umbrella.
I will never fall into the trap of a ban on prayer, fasting, studying, talking with God/Jesus, or charity, in order to mollify those who live a dry faith.
It would kill me, spiritually.
My only "standing: with God is as a servant.
Jesus allowed me to "attain" that honor with His death and resurrection.
Agreed, but He loved me from before I was born or born again.
I was once as you state, but I gave up that life for a new one, by the blood of God's Son.
"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh, with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
Agreed.
All I had to do was hear the gospel to know how worthless I was, and how unworthy I was for Him to die for me.
And just as it is written in 2 Cor 7:10, "Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation, not to be repented of."
I sorrowed to repentance, (turned from sin), was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of those sins, and received the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
Thanks be to God.
Believer?
True believers do plenty that is good.
That is what faith, hope, ad charity is all about.
I am certainly glad you don't think that.
Bad "actions" manifest we are not believers.
Good "actions" manifest our belief in an all holy God.
The works of the Law have nothing to do with our salvation.
By "works", I mean circumcision, dietary rules, sabbath keeping, feast keeping, temple worship, etc.
Good deeds and charity are manifestations of our righteousness: not the cause of our righteousness.
I do what I do because I am righteous.
It is written..."Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." (1 John 3:7)
That makes it clear to me that the doers of unrighteousness don't believe.
Agreed?
Be aware that the "works" mentioned here are again the "works of the Law, ie., circumcision, dietary rules, etc.
I am so glad you do realize the non-Law works we do are actually the works of God by us.
I wouldn't be able to call it a sinner.
And, I would harken unto Peter, and wouldn't stop praying that I would grow in grace and knowledge.
"But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen." (1 Peter 3:18)
No, as there are two meanings for "works".
Amen.
Too bad.
As the good I do makes me feel closer to Jesus and to His Father.
The study I do makes me grow in grace and knowledge.
How can that hinder one's relationship with God?
Not unconsciously either.
Hardly, as they all picked and prepped corn on the Sabbath.
Some went unto the houses of Gentiles and even ate with them.
Agreed, as there were already 120 folks in the church before the day of Pentecost.
I am, after all, grafted into the branch. (Rom 11:17-24)
Those who disobey Jesus will only inherit a lake of fire.
Agreed.
As my belief has resulted in a life of righteousness.
I am grateful to have learned the ways of God.
They are inseparable.
Name any bible writer who was not a Jew.
Agreed, but I subsist of the same root they do.
Interesting concept, but so divisive.
OK.
But please continue to say which kinds of works you refer to. (Works of the Law...circumcision, dietary rules, etc, or Good deeds rooted in Christ.)
So many seem to get them intertwined when they really have nothing to do with each other.
OK.
Repent of not sinning?
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Written to the twelve tribes of Israel. When you ignore context, you make a mistake.
Good luck in your confusion.
It would be nice if there were a place where you could put a note that explains why you've put someone on ignore. I took Hoping off ignore and it lasted less than 48 hours before he said something that reminded me of his cult teaching nonsense about believing that he is sinless. What degree of intellectual perversion does one have to reach in order to get convinced that such a state is even possible? And then what self-aggrandizing hubris does it require to not only believe that you're the one its happened too but to go around telling people that you're the one it's happened too!
The arrogance is breath taking! It's makes L. Ron Hubbard look like a pillar of humility and meekness!
Clete
The arrogance is breath taking! It's makes L. Ron Hubbard look like a pillar of humility and meekness!
Clete
It is true regardless of who wrote or received it.
If one can't illustrate their faith, there is no faith.
I don't need luck, as I am of and in Christ Jesus.
It is written...
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as you Father which is in heaven is perfect.” (Matt 5:48)
“I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." (John 17:22-23)
“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
I love God's words.
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So by your admission, you do not love all of your neighbors as you love yourself, just partially at times.
I just quoted to you the last phrase in the Sanderson bit you posted. Do you disagree with what Sanderson said? If you do, why post it?
What are you talking about?
I assume you meant Stanford rather than Sanderson but you asked whether I thought he was in error and I said "No" not even knowing exactly what it was you were referring to. In other words, I was being flippant because your question is unanswerable with any substance because I was being left with the task of reading your mind in order to understand where you wanted to lead me with your single sentence post.
Regardless, if I said he wasn't in error, how then do you come with this "If I disagree...." question?
I don't disagree with what I quoted, which I'm not even sure that we're talking about the same quote.
Post more than single sentence posts and this sort of waste of time confusion won't happen. Text based web forums are not intended for people who are either too busy or too lazy to put their actual thoughts into words.
Clete
P.S. I just found the quote you're referring to (which was not in the post you had quoted when you asked the question, by the way) and I don't have the quote connected with Sanderson in my head. I don't know Sanderson and don't quote him because he said it. I just quote the material based on the veracity of the material and mostly ignore the author.
My original answer stands. No, I do not disagree with what I quoted. What have I said that would make you think I would disagree with it?
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Does your love cause or help you to love all your neighbors just as you love yourself, as Stanford stated?
I am asking because I have never seen any person do that, and I would certainly not claim to do so myself.
Is the Second Command a hyperbolic concept, such as is Jesus' directive to chop off one's limb rather than continue to sin with it? If you do not know the correct answer please avoid faking it.
I am not willing to ignore the written word.
Because you say so? Nope.
I could be telling the truth.
You know, the truth Jesus said would free us from committing sin, in John 8:32-34.
Do you think Jesus would leave us in the same precarious position versus sin, after all He did for us to escape it?
That is really funny.
You forgot to answer my question...
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Funny, you ignore its context. Which is bad and wrong.
No, because I tell you the truth.
And YET later John writes about confessing sins. 1 John 1:9
Maybe you need to rethink your position.
Nothing "precarious" about my position in the body of Christ.
The context of the word of God is love.
You are saying it isn't true because it was written by a Christians Jew to other Jews.
I just can't agree.
you tell opinion.
Some of the verses in 1 John 1 are addressing those who walk in darkness (sin).
Verse 9 is the remediation for sin, the first step to walking henceforth in the light (God)
Isn't it good to be free from sinning?
Thanks be to God and to the name of His Son.
Why wouldn't it?
Do what?
The second command?
Look, I'm done trying to read your mind. The next time you post something cryptic or nonsensical, I'll ignore it. If you persist, I'll ignore you altogether.
Clete