What mans religion teaches about faith and repentance !

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beloved57

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JudgeRightly said:
AKA, according to you, anything that is not Calvinism.



Of course it's solely on God.

Just like the response-ability is solely on man to accept or reject God's offer of salvation.

Don't conflate the two.



False, as I just explained above.

God provided a means of salvation. He is solely responsible for that. Man is not.

However, God is not responsible for man accepting or rejecting that offer of salvation.



Which has literally nothing to do with what you just said.
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How can you agree that Salvation is solely on God when you promote that Christ died for people who will be lost in their sins ?
 
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beloved57 said:
How can you agree that Salvation is solely on God when you promote that Christ died for people who will be lost in their sins ?
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Because that's the kind of God He is!

He is NOT willing that ANY should perish, but that all should have life! So He provided a way of salvation for all to come, should they choose it.

AND

Because He is merciful and good and loving and personal and relational and LIVING! He will not force someone to spend eternity where they do not want to spend it!

He is the sole provider of salvation, but he has left the decision to accept the free gift of eternal life to the individual.
 
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Because that's the kind of God He is!

He is NOT willing that ANY should perish, but that all should have life! So He provided a way of salvation for all to come, should they choose it.

AND

Because He is merciful and good and loving and personal and relational and LIVING! He will not force someone to spend eternity where they do not want to spend it!

He is the sole provider of salvation, but he has left the decision to accept the free gift of eternal life to the individual.
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You cant have it both ways friend, be consistent. Either you believe All Salvation is of God or its God and man !
 
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beloved57 said:
If Salvation is God, its His Responsibility to save the sinner !
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Do you not deem it possible for God to make creatures than can choose between accepting Him, and rejecting Him?

If not, then of course you would think that God is responsible, because those creatures would just be robots, nay, DIRT OR CLAY, doing what God made them to do.

But if the opposite is true, that God made man with the ability to accept or reject Him, then why would the responsibility be upon God when a man accepts Him, or when another man rejects Him? Why is that God's responsibility when He gave man the "response-ability"?

You making it mans responsibility to get saved.
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Because it is his responsibility. God provided the means of salvation by coming to the cross, and before the world began, determined that whoever accepted that means, they would be saved. Do you think that's impossible with God?
 
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beloved57 said:
Are Faith and Repentance evangelical truths that must be preached ? The answer is absolutely yes, Jesus said Lk 24:47

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

So its no doubt that sound Gospel preaching includes repentance. However where men go wrong is when they make repentance and or faith conditions for Justification before God ! They say that men and women for whom Christ died are not justified, made righteous before God without them ! They are in essence saying that everything Christ did for them in His Person and Work fell short in making them righteous/justified before God.
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Calvinists who believe all the elect are justified in Christ before they are born again on earth cannot explain the illogic of such an erroneous position. Christians were not born again before they were born the first time. That is nonsense.
 
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marke said:
Calvinists who believe all the elect are justified in Christ before they are born again on earth cannot explain the illogic of such an erroneous position. Christians were not born again before they were born the first time. That is nonsense.
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Do you want to discuss the post sir ?
 
beloved57

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marke said:
Of course, which is why I asked you if you were once lost and then got saved. Or are questions like that too difficult for 5 pointers to understand?
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Okay lets discuss it. Please rehearse with me my points, even though you dont agree with them.
 
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