What is the Gospel?

[Sonnet]

Those who preach another GOSPEL than his Gospel of Grace.

That gospel of the circumcision to be exact.

Gal. 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;​

Paul is telling those who have been saved by grace not to return to the law....lest they be cursed. The curse comes with the law.

Gal. 3:1-2 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?​

As I told you before, Paul's Gospel was not one of works, but of Grace. There is the difference you insist on causing so much dissension over. You want me to curse the Calvinists, which is absurd. That has nothing, whatsoever, to do with what Paul is talking about in Galatians. Nothing to do with his Gospel.

Gal. 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.​

Paul's Gospel is very simple. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved. It's the death, burial, and resurrection. It is NOT who is Esau or how to be one of the elect or God's sovereignty or man's free will. It is not man's sin nature or original sin. It is not anything, but being saved by grace through faith.

Please would you clarify regarding the Gospel Peter preached to the circumcised - are you saying such a Gospel is still reserved for them and them only?

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

I wouldn't care to waste my time saying goodnight to you Evil.

You are your own worst enemy, so I'll leave the salutations to you and your own imaginings.

Oh.... you didn’t realize that post was rhetorical? Silly me. I should have made it clear...

 

[glorydaz]

Oh.... you didn’t realize that post was rhetorical? Silly me. I should have made it clear...

Good Lord, and here I was thinking you actually meant you were leaving for the night.

I was getting all excited and looking for my dancing shoes.

Alas....deceived once again, by the Evil one. :nono:

 

[Sherman]

Can't quite decide if Evil Eye is Sonnet's Pitt Bull or Sonnet is Evil Eye's Lap Dog. :think:

I believe he is making an effort to show Christ's love to the the guy. Personally I would soften my approach. This applies at all interacting with him. There has just been too much nastiness.

A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. -- Proverbs 15:1

 

[intojoy]

[MENTION=12969]Sherman[/MENTION] ... Sonnet is a personal friend of mine. I met him here and vouch for his sincerity...

I’m not okay with this.

I may be foul at times... but intojoy has no reason to be nasty to Sonnet here.

He is free to be on other threads... why this one if he doesn’t care about Sonnet?

Ok I’ll kiss it then


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[intojoy]

Would you remind me to whom you think Paul's Galatians 1:8-9 curse is addressed to please?

Context: judaizers followed Paul waiting for him to leave and then falsely proclaimed circumcision in order to follow Jesus. Calvin did not preach another gospel in this context because Calvin did not add works to the cross whether circumcision or anything else. Although somehow he became a legalistic nightmare in his own day, outlawing Christmas dinner, forbidding the going to Shakespeare’s plays and more great deeds.


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[Sonnet]

Sonnet can kiss where the sun don’t shine!


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Why this ij?

 

[Nihilo]

Why? Why is Easter the good news?

Either the answer is already in the question, or please survey some of my dozens of posts in this thread, to make your question less ambiguous for me.

 

[Nihilo]

And what is Pascha? It is Passover.

How do you know that? Is it because you were born Catholic? Because most people born non-Catholic don't know that word.

Did Jesus rise on Passover? Acts 12:4

Matthew 26:18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.
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I'm surprised anyone would encourage someone else to equate Easter with the Resurrection.

Isn't that what Easter celebrates, each and every year? That's a head scratcher, to me, to have a problem with this. :idunno: It's .. like .. you're a Dispensationalist first, and a Christian second.

Even if it does make one popular with the non-"club" members of the board.

Especially to the absolute exclusion of the Death and Burial of the Lord Jesus Christ. We are talking the Gospel are we not? Is that the Gospel? The Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ?

Yes, that is the Gospel. It does not exclude His death and burial, Easter rather includes absolutely everything about the Christian faith, from beginning to end, top to bottom, in and out; complete. Easter is all of it. One faith (Eph4:5KJV).

 

[Nihilo]

Augustine replaced Passover with Easter in order to rid Jews from Christianity.

Augustine didn't have the authority to do that.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

And what was that you were saying about my personal friend, AMR, who I met here and can vouch for his sincerity? Shall I go drag up that post?

You are THE biggest hypocrite I have ever seen on TOL.

I can remember when you dumped big time on my friend Angel.
You totally went off on her for NO cause whatsoever.
Accused her of something she NEVER once believed in or stated.

You whining measly baby brat. Grow up and act like a man.

Thank you for that, sister. It is probably best to place him "below the fold" (on ignore) until he can rehabilitate himself.

That a professing believer would inject himself into a discussion between believer and non-believer, judging the non-believer to be somehow victorious in said discussion, speaks volumes to the perniciousness that underlies such an action. Such an action also presumes, contrary to the very Scripture one would claim (Romans 1), that the non-believer possesses the ability to actually understand spiritual matters, despite their dire state of unbelief. There is no neutral ground wherein the believer and non-believer may meet on matters of the faith. The believer, by axiomatic presupposition, will always possess the upper hand. To act as if this is not so, is to assume one can merely argue the non-believer into the Kingdom, or that the non-believer may argue the believer out of the Kingdom.

No matter what I may think of a believer's views (e.g., Arminian vs. Calvinist), when that person is taking the time to instruct the non-believer, I never inject myself into the discussion with the attitude of denunciation where the very means of God (witnessing to the lost) are at work. Doing so is to gravely place the millstone about one's own neck (Luke 17:2). This action is but the arrogant action of those given over to listening to the Accuser of the brethren to sow discord. May it never be.

AMR

 

[glorydaz]

How do you know that? Is it because you were born Catholic? Because most people born non-Catholic don't know that word.

Nope, I wasn't born Catholic. I only went to Catholic middle school. I never heard Pascha or Paschal during my time there. I remember a lot of Latin, but I didn't speak it. I have, however, over my years as a believer, studied up on Jewish things, which include the Passover. There are many festivals and feasts that relate to our Lord. The Passover Lev. 23:5 pointed to the Messiah being the Passover Lamb, and it was First Fruits Lev. 23:10 that pointed to His resurrection (as the first to raise from the dead).

Isn't that what Easter celebrates, each and every year? That's a head scratcher, to me, to have a problem with this. :idunno: It's .. like .. you're a Dispensationalist first, and a Christian second.

Well, that's kinda silly since this has NOTHING to do with being a Dispensationalist, and everything to do with understanding Jewish history. Jesus was, after all, a Jew. The Messiah. And all these things were spoken of by Jewish prophets.

Yes, that is the Gospel. It does not exclude His death and burial, Easter rather includes absolutely everything about the Christian faith, from beginning to end, top to bottom, in and out; complete. Easter is all of it. One faith (Eph4:5KJV).

Actually no. The Gospel is very simple. You say it includes everything, but insist on narrowing it down to the resurrection. I'm just telling you, it is simple but not that simple. And, it is not Easter. In fact "Easter" which is actually the Passover is speaking of His death....not His resurrection.

 

[Nihilo]

...witnessing...

That He is risen. Mt28:6KJV Mk16:6KJV Lk24:6KJV

 

[Nihilo]

Nope, I wasn't born Catholic. I only went to Catholic middle school. I never heard Pascha or Paschal during my time there. I remember a lot of Latin, but I didn't speak it. I have, however, over my years as a believer, studied up on Jewish things, which include the Passover. There are many festivals and feasts that relate to our Lord. The Passover Lev. 23:5 pointed to the Messiah being the Passover Lamb, and it was First Fruits Lev. 23:10 that pointed to His resurrection (as the first to raise from the dead).

Ah.

Well, that's kinda silly since this has NOTHING to do with being a Dispensationalist, and everything to do with understanding Jewish history. Jesus was, after all, a Jew. The Messiah. And all these things were spoken of by Jewish prophets.

'Seemed like it was related. My mistake.

Actually no. The Gospel is very simple. You say it includes everything, but insist on narrowing it down to the resurrection. I'm just telling you, it is simple but not that simple. And, it is not Easter. In fact "Easter" which is actually the Passover is speaking of His death....not His resurrection.

Nobody .. thinks Good Friday is Easter.

 

[glorydaz]

Thank you for that, sister. It is probably best to place him "below the fold" (on ignore) until he can rehabilitate himself.

That a professing believer would inject himself into a discussion between believer and non-believer, judging the non-believer to be somehow victorious in said discussion, speaks volumes to the perniciousness that underlies such an action. Such an action also presumes, contrary to the very Scripture one would claim (Romans 1), that the non-believer possesses the ability to actually understand spiritual matters, despite their dire state of unbelief. There is no neutral ground wherein the believer and non-believer may meet on matters of the faith. The believer, by axiomatic presupposition, will always possess the upper hand. To act as if this is not so, is to assume one can merely argue the non-believer into the Kingdom, or that the non-believer may argue the believer out of the Kingdom.

No matter what I may think of a believer's views (e.g., Arminian vs. Calvinist), when that person is taking the time to instruct the non-believer, I never inject myself into the discussion with the attitude of denunciation where the very means of God (witnessing to the lost) are at work. Doing so is to gravely place the millstone about one's own neck (Luke 17:12). This action is but the arrogant action of those given over to listening to the Accuser of the brethren to sow discord. May it never be.

AMR

Exactly, and well said. :thumb:

That's the point I was trying to make. I'm certainly not as artful or kind as you are, AMR, but I do know one thing for a fact, and that is one never stomps on another's witnessing to the unsaved, for who knows what it will be that opens the eyes of the blind. And it's why I posted this verse, several times, hoping Evil would hear it.

1 Corinthians 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.​

But, what did he do? He was offended by that verse. Took it as a personal affront.

I don't happen to believe that Sonnet is the seeking babe Evil would like us to believe, and he can certainly hold his own without a Personal Protector. Nor do I believe that we can hold someone's hand and escort them gently into God's presence, all the while kicking aside those who speak to them along the way. THAT is the only "arrogant pride" I'm seeing in this thread.

 

[glorydaz]

Ah.
'Seemed like it was related. My mistake.
Nobody .. thinks Good Friday is Easter.

Probably because they replace the proper terms with made up one like Good Friday and Easter.

Once you start changing what is written, you lose the meaning of what was written.

 

[glorydaz]

That He is risen. Mt28:6KJV Mk16:6KJV Lk24:6KJV

I saw the word "crucified" in there. Don't try to hide it. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

Aha!!! I agree... though as [MENTION=15685]musterion[/MENTION] had a thread up earlier... that preaching of another gospel brings a curse... and he connected it to the lake of fire... And because Jesus said it would be better to have a millstone than harm the little ones... which could refer to “faith”... a person who causes another to stumble in faith by preaching a tainted gospel... may have some “splaining” to do...

Guess you need to learn what the Gospel is yourself. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

And AMR mocks God with his denial of All not meaning all.

You mock God by questioning eternal fire and damnation. Mark 9:43 :chew:

AMR copped out on Sonnet and instead of addressing his scriptural points... simply mocked Sonnet as an unbeliever... and said he was incapable of understanding such things... IE Calvinistic predestination... iE the gospel in AMRs mind.

Unbelievers are incapable of understanding spiritual things. :chew: 1 Corinthians 2:14

I love AMR too.

Talk is cheap. Even an unbeliever can say that. :chew:

But he lost the debate and cried about Sonnets initial profession.

Liar. This is why you have lost all credibility.

Sonnet by admission isn’t saved at this point... but AMR is.

And you? No guts Evil who can't even admit when he's wrong. :think:

Is this a gospel powerhouse of a site or a bunch of back patting, internally focused... outwardly blind Pharisees?

It’s a gospel powerhouse! Or I would have been banned from the jump!

Yep, give kudos to the forum for not giving in to your childish demand to ban you. :chuckle:

You are attempting to derail this thread with your hostility...

:cigar:

False accusation AGAIN. I have no hostility toward you, Evil one...only pity, and that is going by the wayside the more you whine. Take that cigar out of your mouth :baby:

 

[glorydaz]

And... per thread record... you started stalking my posts at BBK. You admitted to him that people didn’t have to have scripture to be saved... the very thing you started railing against me for.

So... no... thread record shows different than your claim.

I know exactly what I said. You, on the other hand, seem to have a problem with twisting what has been said. Truly, you are no better than God's UNtruth in this regard. All mouth and no ears.