Trump says he fired Comey because he lied to Pence and the FBI.
Twitter is gonna be his doom.
What is Flynn guilty of?
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Trump says he fired Comey because he lied to Pence and the FBI.
Twitter is gonna be his doom.
We don't know that. You're assuming it because you're taking the word of Trump, who has been lying about it this whole time. The truth here depends on what was discussed. We can be sure that the FBI know what the answer to that is.
Lame is the part where Bannon and Sessions are arrested. The video is a liberal wetdream.
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A new administration can discuss anything they want with any country they want, rex. Has any President in history ever been accused of a crime for him OR his administration talking to another country? If so, please tell me.
You're NOT assuming?
There are limits to anything, and this included. There are two main areas where Trump could have crossed a line here:
1. Any conversation that was part of a crime could potentially be, in itself a crime. Many of the things Flynn appears to have done would have qualified. reportedly Flynn discussed sanctions with Kislyak, which could be criminally significant if there was any sort of tie to the conspiracy to subvert the election.
2. Flynn and Trump would have received classified information prior to Trump taking office. While it is true that a President has the legal authority to declassify anything that they choose at any time, a President-elect does not, and if anything that was discussed were classified, which is pretty likely if they discussed sanctions being imposed by the Obama administration, then it could be a whole range of criminal offenses.
Whatever was said, it's a good bet that Mueller's team knows about it in intricate detail, including whatever intercepts exist.
There have been 45 Presidents of the United States since the ratification of the 1789 Constitution. It's not a lot of data. And Trump pretty obviously represents the first on many counts.
Informed speculation.
You're assuming the worst, I'm assuming the best.
Trump supporters would have us believe that any attempt to hold this President responsible for what he says or does is "cruel and unusual punishment!"
In this particular case, "The Donald" as provided two different rationales for asking Flynn to resign - originally it was lying to VP Pence and now its lying to the FBI.
Neither excuse passes the "smell test" because the President had already been informed by the acting Attorney General as to what Flynn was telling the Russians!
Trump knew the Pence's public denials about negotiating with the Russians were false, but he remained silent until they were made public - then he made Flynn the designated "fall guy!"
If "The Donald" knew that Flynn had lied to the FBI, as tweeted, then his attempts to influence and then fire Comey is a blatant attempt to interfere with a criminal investigation - but as we all know Trump thinks he's above the law!
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Fortunately for Trump, he has long been used to the color orange.
But yeah, The Swamp Thing did set in motion draining The Swamp he himself had become the very Swamp Thing of...all along.
As I noted way back in January - "and all the King's horses, and all the King's men, could never put Trumpty...back together again..."
"Timeline: What We Now Know About Flynn’s
Phone Calls With Russia..."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Which is where I point back to our records of making predictions about this. Mine have largely held up. Yours...not so much.
The fall of Michael Flynn: A timeline
Nov. 18, 2016 - Obama Warns Trump
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- 2 days after the election, President invites Trump to the White House and strongly advises him against appointing General Flynn to his Cabinet based on prior experience
Nov. 18, 2016 - Flynn offered NSA position
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- General Flynn offered the position of National Security Advisor in the Trump Administration
- this position does not require Senate confirmation
Dec. 29, 2016 - Obama Administration sanctions and Russian response
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- Obama administration announces measures against Russia in retaliation for what U.S. officials characterized as interference in the 2016 election
- Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov announces 35 U.S. diplomats will be declared persona non grata.
December 30, 2016 - incoming Trump Administration response
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- Flynn speaks by phone with Russia’s ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, and discusses the sanctions and suggests the possibility of sanctions relief once Trump is president
- Flynn would later assert that he was told to make these contacts by a senior members of the Trump Campaign (Jared Kushner, KT McFarland)
- this call is monitored by U.S. intelligence agencies who routinely tap into the Russian Ambassador's phone calls
Dec. 30, 2016 - Russian government's response
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- in a surprise, Russian President Vladimir Putin announces in a statement that Russia will not take action against the sanctions
Dec. 30, 2016 - incoming Trump administration response
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- President-elect Trump tweets approvingly "Great move on delay (by V. Putin) – I always knew he was very smart!"
- the White House later insists that Trump had no prior knowledge of Flynn’s conversations about sanctions with Kislyak
Jan. 12, 2017 - Washington Post
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- Washington Post’s David Ignatius reports that Flynn and Kislyak spoke around the time of sanctions announcement. “According to a senior U.S. government official, Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials as well as other measures in retaliation for the hacking. What did Flynn say, and did it undercut the U.S. sanctions?”
Jan. 13, 2017 - incoming Trump Administration response
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- incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer denies that sanctions were discussed
- conversation between Flynn and Kislyak had “centered on the logistics” of a post inauguration call between Trump and Putin. “That was it, plain and simple,”
Spicer says.
Jan. 14, 2017 - VP Pemes's denials
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- Vice President-elect Mike Pence and Flynn have a conversation, in which Pence says Flynn assured him that “the conversations that took place at that time were not in any way related to the new U.S. sanctions against Russia or the expulsion of diplomats”
- Pence, during an appearance on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” denies that sanctions were discussed, saying he had spoken about the issue with Flynn,
- Pence says the incoming national security adviser and Kislyak “did not discuss anything having to do with the United States’ decision to expel diplomats or impose censure against Russia.”
- Pence adds "... what I can confirm, having spoken to him about it, is that those conversations that happened to occur around the time that the United States took action to expel diplomats had nothing whatsoever to do with those sanctions.”
- incoming White House chief of staff Reince Priebus, on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” says: “I have talked to General Flynn. None of that came up, and the subject matter of sanctions or the actions taken by the Obama administration did not come up in the conversation.”
Jan. 20 2017- Trump Inauguration
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- Trump takes the oath of office and becomes President.
Jan. 23 - Trump Administration response
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- Spicer is again asked about Flynn’s communications with Kislyak.
- says that he had talked to Flynn about the issue “again last night.” There was just “one call”
- Spicer adding that it covered four subjects: a plane crash that claimed the lives of a Russian military choir; Christmas greetings; Russian-led talks over the Syrian civil war; and the logistics of setting up a call between Putin and Trump.
- insists that was the extent of the conversation
Jan. 24, 2017 - Flynn interviewed by FBI
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- Flynn interviewed by the FBI about his conversations with Kislyak
- Flynn would be charged 11 months later with lying during this interview
- 11 months later, President Trump would tweet that this was the reason he fired Flynn
Jan. 26, 2017 - 1st Visit by Acting Attorney General Sally Yates to White House
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- Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, accompanied by an aide, goes to the White House and tells White House counsel Don McGahn that, contrary to Flynn’s claims to White House officials, sanctions had been discussed in the calls, based on the monitoring of the conversations by intelligence agencies
- also warns that Flynn is now vulnerable to Russian blackmail
- “We also told the White House counsel that General Flynn had been interviewed by the FBI on February [sic.] 24,” Yates said in congressional testimony on May 8. “Mr. McGahn asked me how he did and I declined to give him an answer to that. And we then walked through with Mr. McGahn essentially why we were telling them about this and the first thing we did was to explain to Mr. McGahn that the underlying conduct that General Flynn had engaged in was problematic in and of itself. Secondly, we told him we felt like the vice president and others were entitled to know that the information that they were conveying to the American people wasn’t true.”
- “The president was immediately informed of the situation,” Spicer told reporters on Feb. 14, after Flynn’s departure. The White House counsel determined that Flynn would have broken no laws in his discussions, Spicer adds. The White House has not disclosed the length or depth of the counsel’s inquiry into that question, except to say it was “extensive” and took “days.”
Jan. 27, 2017 - 2nd Acting Attorney General Sally Yates to White House
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- McGahn asks Yates to come to the White House again to discuss the matter further. Yates testified that he did not indicate whether he had discussed the Flynn situation with anyone else at the White House
- he asked why the Justice Department would be concerned whether one White House official lied to another
- Yates said. “Logic would tell you that you don’t want the national security adviser to be in a position where the Russians have leverage over him”
- McGahn also asks to see the underlying evidence and Yates says she would work with the FBI to assemble the material and McGahn’s review is scheduled for Jan. 30
Jan. 30, 2017 - Trump fires Yates
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- Trump fires Yates, allegedly over an unrelated matter — her conclusion that Trump’s executive order barring travellers from seven Muslim-majority countries is “unlawful”
- this executive order is later blocked by the courts
Feb. 9, 2017 - Washington Post exposes Flynn
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- Washington Post, citing nine sources, reports that Flynn had discussed sanctions in the phone calls
- Flynn initially denied he had discussed sanctions in an interview with The Post but then amended his comment
- he “indicated that while he had no recollection of discussing sanctions, he couldn’t be certain that the topic never came up”
- according to a Pence aide, not until The Post’s report appeared did the vice president learn that Flynn had given him false information about his contacts with Kislyak
- based on the White House’s own timeline, Trump had known of the Flynn’s false statements for two weeks but had not informed Pence
Feb. 10, 2017 - Trump's response
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- Trump, asked about the media reports about Flynn, suggests it is news to him: “I don’t know about that. I haven’t seen it. What report is that? I haven’t seen that. I’ll look into that.”
- Spicer later says Trump was saying he had not seen the specific report in The Post, not that he was unaware that Flynn had spoken to Kislyak about sanctions
Feb. 13, 2017 - Flynn forced to resign
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- Washington Post reports that the White House had known for weeks that Flynn had misled about the nature of the calls
- Flynn is forced to resign within hours after the article is posted.
- on Feb. 14, Spicer announced that Flynn was let go because he no longer had the trust of the president and vice president
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hael-flynn-a-timeline/?utm_term=.877ec59b8d9c
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I know you're feeling good about things right now, rex, but I'll be dancing an Irish jig when it's all said and done. That's the prediction that counts.
In fact, I am going to quit discussing it with you, leaving one less person to cogitate your pensiveness. :wave2:
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Crooked FBI Lead Investigator fired by Mueller -
The office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller confirmed with Fox News on Saturday that agent Peter Strzok had been removed from Mueller’s investigation into Russia collusion after the Justice Department’s inspector general started examining Strzok's electronic messages with a colleague, which reportedly included ones that were anti-Trump and pro-Hillary Clinton.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/03/trump-reloads-on-fbis-clinton-email-probe-after-reports-tainted-anti-trump-agent.html
This FBI agent was also the lead investigator on Clinton's emails. Do the math.
The office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller confirmed with Fox News on Saturday that agent Peter Strzok had been removed from Mueller’s investigation into Russia collusion after the Justice Department’s inspector general started examining Strzok's electronic messages with a colleague, which reportedly included ones that were anti-Trump and pro-Hillary Clinton.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/03/trump-reloads-on-fbis-clinton-email-probe-after-reports-tainted-anti-trump-agent.html
This FBI agent was also the lead investigator on Clinton's emails. Do the math.
:rotfl: The Crazy Delusional Left -
Friday morning on ABC’s The View, co-host Joy Behar was handed a large blue card during the live broadcast of the show by a stagehand who told her, “Breaking news.” Behar started reading the card, which relayed a (what turned out to be false) report from ABC’s Brian Ross that Gen. Michael Flynn had pled guilty and was prepared to testify that President Donald Trump directed him during the presidential campaign to contact the Russians. Behar grew ecstatic as she read the report, tossing the blue card in the air in celebration. The studio audience and most of other View co-hosts cheered along with Behar. The View panel discussed for the next seven minutes the fake news that ‘collusion’ between Trump and the Russians during the campaign was finally proven.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/videojoy-behar-view-audience-go-wild-false-report-trump-directed-flynn-contact-russians-campaign/
Friday morning on ABC’s The View, co-host Joy Behar was handed a large blue card during the live broadcast of the show by a stagehand who told her, “Breaking news.” Behar started reading the card, which relayed a (what turned out to be false) report from ABC’s Brian Ross that Gen. Michael Flynn had pled guilty and was prepared to testify that President Donald Trump directed him during the presidential campaign to contact the Russians. Behar grew ecstatic as she read the report, tossing the blue card in the air in celebration. The studio audience and most of other View co-hosts cheered along with Behar. The View panel discussed for the next seven minutes the fake news that ‘collusion’ between Trump and the Russians during the campaign was finally proven.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/videojoy-behar-view-audience-go-wild-false-report-trump-directed-flynn-contact-russians-campaign/
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He was thinking of you, Musty:
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I think everybody here loves America
He was thinking of you, Musty:
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Could of would of should of Rex? Really? This is what you pin your hopes on for a smidgen of happiness in your life? Get help immediately.
Where's all the lefties today? I think they know that Peter Strzok is the end of the investigation.
The FBI agent who was removed from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia — because he sent anti-Trump messages to a colleague — oversaw the bureau’s interviews with ousted National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, Fox News confirmed on Monday.
[h=1]FBI agent fired from Russia probe oversaw Flynn interviews, softened Comey language on Clinton email actions[/h]
Peter Strzok, a former deputy to the assistant director for counterintelligence at the FBI, also was confirmed to have changed former FBI Director James Comey’s early draft language about Hillary Clinton’s actions regarding her private email server from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-changed-comey-memos-on-clinton-charges.html
[h=1]FBI agent fired from Russia probe oversaw Flynn interviews, softened Comey language on Clinton email actions[/h]
Peter Strzok, a former deputy to the assistant director for counterintelligence at the FBI, also was confirmed to have changed former FBI Director James Comey’s early draft language about Hillary Clinton’s actions regarding her private email server from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-changed-comey-memos-on-clinton-charges.html
If that's what you got out of my post, I'd say you should read it again.
He's not, and the fact that he was removed from the investigation demonstrates that Mueller is serious about protecting its fairness and integrity.