All I'm saying is, sometimes a crime is the right thing to do. All of this country's founders committed treason before landing in the history books.
What is Flynn guilty of?
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All I'm saying is, sometimes a crime is the right thing to do. All of this country's founders committed treason before landing in the history books.
Kinda, yeah. It's not ideal, but if that's what it takes to bring down these crooks, I'm all for it. Trump didn't fire Flynn just because he lied. He fired him because it got leaked. And we're all safer for it.
Unmasking isn't a crime, and while "proof" may be illusive for now, there are lots of suggestions. I'd say give it time, let the FBI investigation play out, and the Senate Intel Committee. And hold Trump's feet to the fire.
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You might want to read up on the laws that were broken UN-masking an American citizen is a "felony". punishable by 10 years in prison.
When the Otraitor and Hillray crime spree was going on in Wash. D.C. where were you libtards ? All that was heard was crickets. I have never seen a more hypocritical bunch than demon craps.
Citation to the specific statute, please
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That is not a statute.
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lol, when the left does it it is NEVER wrong , and when one on the right does nothing it is a crime.
You are so biased you are ignorant.
Could you quote where you think this was banned?
What he's pointing out to you is that it's a procedure document, not a statute. Violating it could bring administrstive penalties, but not criminal charges. That's a fairly important distinction.
If you can't handle the facts...
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USSID 18 has not been banned ! What are you talking about ?
Bottom line if you UN-mask an American citizen it is a CRIME.
The conduct you're talking about, not USSID 18.
That's flatly false. There is a procedure for it because it's perfectly permissible when certain conditions are met.
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You are talking about someone in the intelligence community unmasking it. That's who the administrative penalties apply to.
I'm sure dodge is referring to people in the executive branch ordering the unmasking.
You are saying it's perfectly legal for the administration to unmask an American citizen?
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From the daily mail:
"Revealed: Obama's national security adviser asked for Trump's associates' names to be 'UNMASKED' from intelligence reports dozens of times - before they were leaked
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This is perfectly legal you say?
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"Revealed: Obama's national security adviser asked for Trump's associates' names to be 'UNMASKED' from intelligence reports dozens of times - before they were leaked
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This is perfectly legal you say?
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First of all, the intelligence agencies are just as much part of the executive branch as the NSC advisor. So there's that. And that is irrelevant to the objection raised, which is that what was posted IS NOT A STATUTE. It doesn't become one by alchemy just because it moves from the NSA to the White House.
Under certain circumstances. And it's a fairly low bar, usually related to the need to understand the information. And unmasking does not entail publicly releasing.
I'm no expert at it, but my understanding is that one of them is to better understand the meaning of the information relevant to national security.
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The intelligence agencies are part of the bureaucracy. The NSC advisor is not part of the bureaucracy nor part of the intelligence agencies.
The NSC is free to ask the CIA to unmask political enemies for the sole purpose of leaking that information in order to bring down those enemies?
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That can be used as an excuse. What's to stop the NSC advisor or anyone else in the administration from unmasking political opponents for purely partisan reasons?
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I understand unmasking and leaking are two separate actions. Isn't leaking of unmasked intelligence that you specifically asked to be unmasked illegal?
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White House staff can't unmask someone. They have to request an unmasking of the agencies that provide the intercepts, who then review the request to see if policy allows it.