ECT What Is Dispensationalism; really?

[tetelestai]

Exactly! "This" generation . . NOT "Your" generation. Namely the generation in which all of these things take place. Everything says yu are wrong and yet you still cling to your error.

Read your own 'proof texts'. They have never happened!

If Jesus was referring to a generation other than the one of His contemporaries, then the correct grammar would be "that generation".

"this generation" cannot refer to a future generation.

Get a concordance, type "this generation", and see for yourself.

Example:

(Matt 12:41) The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

As we see above, "this generation" specifically refers to the generation of Jews who were contemporaries of Jesus in the first century.

 

[Danoh]

If Jesus was referring to a generation other than the one of His contemporaries, then the correct grammar would be "that generation".

"this generation" cannot refer to a future generation.

Get a concordance, type "this generation", and see for yourself.

Example:

(Matt 12:41) The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

As we see above, "this generation" specifically refers to the generation of Jews who were contemporaries of Jesus in the first century.

No, knucklehead; both will rise in (to) judgement at the same time.

 

[Cross Reference]

If Jesus was referring to a generation other than the one of His contemporaries, then the correct grammar would be "that generation".

"this generation" cannot refer to a future generation.

Get a concordance, type "this generation", and see for yourself.

Example:

(Matt 12:41) The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

As we see above, "this generation" specifically refers to the generation of Jews who were contemporaries of Jesus in the first century.

There is nothing wrong with the grammar JESUS used. Who cares about using a concordance simply to major on a minor when the context is clear, proven by history? What's your problem that you need to 'pretzel bend" the understanding presented you? For two thousand years the Holy Spirit has been with the followers of Jesus Christ and you are saying it is all for naught? You better pinch yourself.

Again, re-read your own 'proof texts' for the first time to see they have never happened!

 

[tetelestai]

No, knucklehead; both will rise in (to) judgement at the same time.

Yes, I know Danoh. The point was that the phrase "this generation" found in the verse specifically referred to the Jews who were contemporaries of Jesus, not some future generation.

Try to pay attention to what the topic is.

 

[tetelestai]

There is nothing wrong with the grammar JESUS used.

Yes, I know. However, it is you who is trying to twist what Jesus clearly said.

Who cares about using a concordance

Because it shows how ridiculous your claim is. You are claiming "this generation" refers to a yet future generation. By using a concordance, we can see how wrong you are.

simply to major on a minor when the context is clear, proven by history?

History doesn't support your futurism. What happened to the Jews, the temple, Jerusalem, and Judaea in 70AD prove that what Jesus said in Matt 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 were fulfilled just like Jesus said they would.

What's your problem that you need to 'pretzel bend" the understanding presented you?

I'm the one who believes "this generation" means exactly what it says. It is you who has to turn it into a pretzel to make your futurism work.

For two thousand years the Holy Spirit has been with the followers of Jesus Christ and you are saying it is all for naught? You better pinch yourself.

The Holy Spirit was given to those in Christ on the Day of Pentecost, and has continued to be given to those in Christ ever since.

 

[Cross Reference]

Yes, I know. However, it is you who is trying to twist what Jesus clearly said.



Because it shows how ridiculous your claim is. You are claiming "this generation" refers to a yet future generation. By using a concordance, we can see how wrong you are.



History doesn't support your futurism. What happened to the Jews, the temple, Jerusalem, and Judaea in 70AD prove that what Jesus said in Matt 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 were fulfilled just like Jesus said they would.



I'm the one who believes "this generation" means exactly what it says. It is you who has to turn it into a pretzel to make your futurism work.



The Holy Spirit was given to those in Christ on the Day of Pentecost, and has continued to be given to those in Christ ever since.

Why was the Holy Spirit given if Jesus had already returned for His own. <stupid>

Did you re-read your proof texts?? Explain them.

How old are you anyway? Am I replying to a kid?

 

[tetelestai]

Why was the Holy Spirit given if Jesus had already returned for His own.

The Holy Spirt was given on Pentecost in 30AD.

Jesus returned in 70AD.

So, I'm not sure how your question makes any sense.

Did you re-read your proof texts?? Explain them.

Every time Jesus used the phrase "this generation" in the gospels, He specifically was referring to the Jews who were His contemporaries.

You want us to believe that after using the phrase over and over again, Jesus then used it, but was speaking of a generation 2,000+ years into the future (and still counting)

 

[Cross Reference]

The Holy Spirt was given on Pentecost in 30AD.

Jesus returned in 70AD.

So, I'm not sure how your question makes any sense.



Every time Jesus used the phrase "this generation" in the gospels, He specifically was referring to the Jews who were His contemporaries.

You want us to believe that after using the phrase over and over again, Jesus then used it, but was speaking of a generation 2,000+ years into the future (and still counting)

Who's "us"? What I want is for you see how stupid your reasoning is. One word you take to yourself as meaning what you think it means and reject everything that says you are wrong. By your interpretation everything else including your salvation, hangs in the balance. Again, have you re-read your own proof text to explain them?

 

[Cross Reference]

The Holy Spirt was given on Pentecost in 30AD.

Jesus returned in 70AD.

So, I'm not sure how your question makes any sense.



Every time Jesus used the phrase "this generation" in the gospels, He specifically was referring to the Jews who were His contemporaries.

You want us to believe that after using the phrase over and over again, Jesus then used it, but was speaking of a generation 2,000+ years into the future (and still counting)

Something else you should also consider that may not be "spelled out" by Jesus to your satisfaction:


". . . two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


In each example both were Christians. Here's why that is true:

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."
Matthew 24:40-42 (KJV)

Ergo, Jesus is coming for those Christians who are watching and waiting. Unbelievers don't do that sort of thing.

 

[Interplanner]

Something else you should also consider that may not be "spelled out" by Jesus to your satisfaction:


". . . two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


In each example both were Christians. Here's why that is true:

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."
Matthew 24:40-42 (KJV)

Ergo, Jesus is coming for those Christians who are watching and waiting. Unbelievers don't do that sort of thing.

Those expressions have to do with how the zealots of the rebellion against Rome would seize people and impound them into their camp to fight Rome. The "taking" is a bad thing in the passage. Indeed. As with the flood, they were 'taken away' to destruction. The zealot rebellion was another kind of 'flood.' It also indicates the dismal mindset of Judah at the time. Very few would take up the mission of the Gospel but many would concede to the zealot movement. Much more than 50%!

 

[Danoh]

Those expressions have to do with how the zealots of the rebellion against Rome would seize people and impound them into their camp to fight Rome. The "taking" is a bad thing in the passage. Indeed. As with the flood, they were 'taken away' to destruction. The zealot rebellion was another kind of 'flood.' It also indicates the dismal mindset of Judah at the time. Very few would take up the mission of the Gospel but many would concede to the zealot movement. Much more than 50%!

I take it, then; that your Bible is missing those passages in Matthew 13 that explain what that "taken/left" passage is a reference to?

 

[Aletheiophile]

Those expressions have to do with how the zealots of the rebellion against Rome would seize people and impound them into their camp to fight Rome. The "taking" is a bad thing in the passage. Indeed. As with the flood, they were 'taken away' to destruction. The zealot rebellion was another kind of 'flood.' It also indicates the dismal mindset of Judah at the time. Very few would take up the mission of the Gospel but many would concede to the zealot movement. Much more than 50%!

Yes!

 

[Cross Reference]

Those expressions have to do with how the zealots of the rebellion against Rome would seize people and impound them into their camp to fight Rome. The "taking" is a bad thing in the passage. Indeed. As with the flood, they were 'taken away' to destruction. The zealot rebellion was another kind of 'flood.' It also indicates the dismal mindset of Judah at the time. Very few would take up the mission of the Gospel but many would concede to the zealot movement. Much more than 50%!

You are wrong.

 

[Danoh]

Those expressions have to do with how the zealots of the rebellion against Rome would seize people and impound them into their camp to fight Rome. The "taking" is a bad thing in the passage. Indeed. As with the flood, they were 'taken away' to destruction. The zealot rebellion was another kind of 'flood.' It also indicates the dismal mindset of Judah at the time. Very few would take up the mission of the Gospel but many would concede to the zealot movement. Much more than 50%!

Nice try, but no cigar; not even a cigarillo...

Of the two in the field; here is the one taken...

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

When?

At the same time the other one is left...

Acts 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

When?

Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

But if you and yours feel you need to OVER rely on secular history about Zealots and all the rest; that you then read into Scripture's narrative, well; knock yourselves out.

 

[Cross Reference]

Nice try, but no cigar; not even a cigarillo...

Of the two in the field; here is the one taken...

At the same time the other one is left...

And they were both Christians which speaks of time frame in which it takes place.

 

[Danoh]

To read Tel-a-lie, those angels WERE (the future is the past :chuckle actually Rome's Military might.

In long gowns, blue contact lenses, blond wig and fake wings, of course.

O when the Romans.
O when the Romans,
Come marchin in.
Come marchin in.
O Lord is that You
In their number.
That Tet's delusion
Has you in...

:rotfl:

 

[Interplanner]

Nice try, but no cigar; not even a cigarillo...

Of the two in the field; here is the one taken...

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

When?

At the same time the other one is left...

Acts 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

When?

Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

But if you and yours feel you need to OVER rely on secular history about Zealots and all the rest; that you then read into Scripture's narrative, well; knock yourselves out.

You've lost me and lost it, Danoh. What on earth connection is there to Acts 3 that would help a person realize what the taken/left of Mt 24B is? His overall comparison was the Noah flood. Do you see a Noah flood construct in Acts 3? You just bludgeon the thing with 10s of other texts for no good reason.

 

[Interplanner]

It's not "secular" history when Christ spoke of them, knew them, tried to convert them (picking several followers from the 'problem' area of Galilee), etc. You are out of your depth.