ECT WHAT EPH 3:5 IS SAYING TO ALL !

DAN P

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What does the Hebrew writer say is the reason he is the mediator of a new covenant?


Hi and do you ever read Heb 8:6-9 explains that Jesus Christ was the MEDIATOR and verse 9 says that Christ was in the OT also and also of the New Covenant , to the Nation of Israel !!

dan p
 

turbosixx

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Hi and do you ever read Heb 8:6-9 explains that Jesus Christ was the MEDIATOR and verse 9 says that Christ was in the OT also and also of the New Covenant , to the Nation of Israel !!

dan p

Heb. 8:6 Says Christ IS the mediator of a better covenant. That tells us there are two covenants and he IS the mediator of the better one. It also says it HAS BEEN enacted on better promises. This and the rest of the passage adds up to Christ having established the new covenant.

In chapter 10 he sums it up saying through Christ we enter by a new and living way which he inaugurated.
Heb. 10:19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh

If there is a new way to enter now, is it so lacking that there is still a need for another new way in the future?
 

DAN P

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Heb. 8:6 Says Christ IS the mediator of a better covenant. That tells us there are two covenants and he IS the mediator of the better one. It also says it HAS BEEN enacted on better promises. This and the rest of the passage adds up to Christ having established the new covenant.

In chapter 10 he sums it up saying through Christ we enter by a new and living way which he inaugurated.
Heb. 10:19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh

If there is a new way to enter now, is it so lacking that there is still a need for another new way in the future?


Hi and the New Covenant was for Israel and NOT the B O C !!


You ask many questions that have been answered many time over , and you never answer How you were saved in the PATTERN as written in 1 Tim 1:16 ??

dan p
 

turbosixx

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You ask many questions that have been answered many time over , and you never answer How you were saved in the PATTERN as written in 1 Tim 1:16 ??

dan p

I was saved just like the pattern of Paul. Believed and was baptized.
Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized;

Paul was a Jew, other Jews conformed to the same pattern.
Acts 2:41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized

Jews believed and were baptized.
Acts 18:8 Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household, and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized.

Gentiles believed and were baptized.
Acts 10:48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.
 

turbosixx

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Hi and the New Covenant was for Israel and NOT the B O C !!

Heb. 9:12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood , He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
9:15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant,

So when Jesus entered the holy place once for all, he did it only for he Israel? Isn't that the same sacrifice that forgives your sins?
 

turbosixx

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I was saved just like the pattern of Paul. Believed and was baptized.
Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized;

Paul was a Jew, other Jews conformed to the same pattern.
Acts 2:41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized

Jews believed and were baptized.
Acts 18:8 Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household, and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized.

Gentiles believed and were baptized.
Acts 10:48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.


Same pattern as Paul.
 

DAN P

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Same pattern as Paul.


Hi and if you were Acts 9:17 , says what he , Paul , was BAPTIZED with !!

Was it with WATER , as Paul stood up in Acts 9:17 , Paul was FILLED WITH POWER OF HOLY SPIRIT !!

#1 One is written baptized with THE HOLY SPIRIT !!

#2 The other is BAPTIZED with HOLY SPIRIT !!

Do you see thw difference , as one uses the Greek ARTICILE " THE " and the #2 does not !!

The first one means with the INDWELLING of the Holy Spirit !!

#2 Means given POWER BY HOLY SPIRIT !!

DAN P
 

turbosixx

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Hi and if you were Acts 9:17 , says what he , Paul , was BAPTIZED with !!

Was it with WATER , as Paul stood up in Acts 9:17 , Paul was FILLED WITH POWER OF HOLY SPIRIT !!

#1 One is written baptized with THE HOLY SPIRIT !!

#2 The other is BAPTIZED with HOLY SPIRIT !!

Do you see thw difference , as one uses the Greek ARTICILE " THE " and the #2 does not !!

The first one means with the INDWELLING of the Holy Spirit !!

#2 Means given POWER BY HOLY SPIRIT !!

DAN P

IF he was baptized with the HS, why does Ananias ask him, "what are YOU waiting for, arise and be baptized and wash away your sins?"

IF Paul is the pattern, why did he water baptize? That's two baptisms not only ONE as you claim.
 

DAN P

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IF he was baptized with the HS, why does Ananias ask him, "what are YOU waiting for, arise and be baptized and wash away your sins?"

IF Paul is the pattern, why did he water baptize? That's two baptisms not only ONE as you claim.


Hi and Water baptism WASHS AWAY sins ?

There are 2 baptisms here , whether you know it or NOT !!

I have shown you the difference between the following :

THE HOLY SPIRIT !!

HOLY SPIRIT !!

Do you not know what the Greek ARTICILE " THE " means , and it obviously , you do NOT , do you ?

Check what it means by GOOGLE and find out ?

dan p
 

DAN P

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IF he was baptized with the HS, why does Ananias ask him, "what are YOU waiting for, arise and be baptized and wash away your sins?"

IF Paul is the pattern, why did he water baptize? That's two baptisms not only ONE as you claim.


Hi and where is that verse , " ARISE and be baptized " at ??

I must have missed it ?

I just found your quote in Acts 22:16 !!

What sins do you believe that Paul had , since in Phil 3:6 , Paul was BLAMELESS UNDER THE LAW ?

dan p
 

turbosixx

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Hi and where is that verse , " ARISE and be baptized " at ??

I must have missed it ?

I just found your quote in Acts 22:16 !!

What sins do you believe that Paul had , since in Phil 3:6 , Paul was BLAMELESS UNDER THE LAW ?

dan p

Did the law forgive sins?
 

turbosixx

New member
Hi and Water baptism WASHS AWAY sins ?

There are 2 baptisms here , whether you know it or NOT !!

I have shown you the difference between the following :

THE HOLY SPIRIT !!

HOLY SPIRIT !!

Do you not know what the Greek ARTICILE " THE " means , and it obviously , you do NOT , do you ?

Check what it means by GOOGLE and find out ?

dan p

I will google it.

Are you saying Paul wasn't water baptized?
 

DAN P

Well-known member
I will google it.

Are you saying Paul wasn't water baptized?


Hi and that is a big YES !!

Otherwisw 1 Cor 1:17 means NOTHING and if Paul did BAPTIZO / BAPTIZE his ministry would be MADE OF NONE EFFECT which is in the AORIST TENSE , which points the beginning of Paul's ministry !!

Acts is diffuct for anyone as many confuse REPENTANCE and Water Baptizo given to Israel !!\\

All these person who say that were SEEKING God will never explain 1 Cor 2:14 !!

dan p

dan p
 

Danoh

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When Paul was saved, the norms and standards of the prior dispensation, though no longer; had nevertheless been the only norms and standards people Ananias had known.

As Paul later described him...

Acts 22:12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,

Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Given that fact, what was this "be baptized, and (that is "even") wash away thy sins" as understood by "a devout man according to the law"?

Spoiler


John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized. 3:24 For John was not yet cast into prison. 3:25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.

Verse 25 describes this "be baptized... wash away thy sins," and it does so in relation to verse 23's "water."

Of this water baptism as a symbolic washing away of sins under the Law, Peter would later write the following to the Israel of God (he was not writing to the Body of Christ)....

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

The answer of an Israelite's good conscience toward God?

Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

What was going on in Acts 9 is that although Paul was already saved - by the Lord's evangelizing him Himself - the Lord then had Ananias go to Paul, etc, that Paul might later be able to point to "one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there..." as a witness the devoutness of which under the Law, many Jews at Damascus were familiar with.

But Paul was now among his own, there at Damascus, and the Israelite practice of symbolic putting away of the sins of the flesh through their water ritual under the Law, was a practice of Israelites.

Note Paul's submitting to that when in their company, once more...

Acts 21:22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 21:23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 21:24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

Acts 21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

Notice the purification is prior to his entering the Temple.

One aspect of that of which were issues such as...

Exodus 30:17 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 30:18 Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. 30:19 For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: 30:20 When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: 30:21 So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.

Things like...John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.

Most (not all) of which the writer of Hebrews describes to his fellow Hebrews were rituals...

Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Here is a water baptism....

Leviticus 11:35 And every thing whereupon any part of their carcase falleth shall be unclean; whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean, and shall be unclean unto you. 11:36 Nevertheless a fountain or pit, wherein there is plenty of water, shall be clean: but that which toucheth their carcase shall be unclean.

That is just like this one...

John 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Though, as the Lord revealed to Peter - after Paul was saved by the Lord on the road to Damascus absent of any ritual...

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

And Peter's encounter had been towards its later serving not only as a witness that Israel's water ritual under the Law, was merely symbolic within their God given culture: The Law, but as a witness that Paul's work among the once considered unclean Gentiles, was a work of God.

Note what happened as a result of Peter's witness - the multitude concerned about what Paul was doing out among unclean Gentiles then heard Paul out.

Acts 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

The overall narrative makes clear that Paul was water baptized; why he was; and so on.
 

DAN P

Well-known member
When Paul was saved, the norms and standards of the prior dispensation, though no longer; had nevertheless been the only norms and standards people Ananias had known.

As Paul later described him...

Acts 22:12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,

Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Given that fact, what was this "be baptized, and (or even) wash away thy sins" as understood by "a devout man according to the law"?

Spoiler


John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized. 3:24 For John was not yet cast into prison. 3:25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.

Verse 25 describes this "be baptized... wash away thy sins," and it does so in relation to verse 23's "water."

Of this water baptism as a symbolic washing away of sins under the Law, Peter would later write the following to the Israel of God (he was not writing to the Body of Christ)....

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

The answer of an Israelite's good conscience toward God?

Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

What was going on in Acts 9 is that although Paul was already saved - by the Lord's evangelizing him Himself - the Lord then had Ananias go to Paul, etc, that Paul might later be able to point to "one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there..." as a witness the devoutness of which under the Law, many Jews at Damascus were familiar with.

But Paul was now among his own, there at Damascus, and the Israelite practice of symbolic putting away of the sins of the flesh through their water ritual under the Law, was a practice of Israelites.

Note Paul's submitting to that when in their company, once more...

Acts 21:22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 21:23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 21:24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

Acts 21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

Notice the purification is prior to his entering the Temple.

One aspect of that of which were issues such as...

Exodus 30:17 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 30:18 Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. 30:19 For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: 30:20 When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: 30:21 So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.

Things like...John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.

Most (not all) of which the writer of Hebrews describes to his fellow Hebrews were rituals...

Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Here is a water baptism....

Leviticus 11:35 And every thing whereupon any part of their carcase falleth shall be unclean; whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean, and shall be unclean unto you. 11:36 Nevertheless a fountain or pit, wherein there is plenty of water, shall be clean: but that which toucheth their carcase shall be unclean.

That is just like this one...

John 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Though, as the Lord revealed to Peter - after Paul was saved by the Lord on the road to Damascus absent of any ritual...

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Again, as you know, DP - Peter's encounter had been towards its later serving not only as a witness that Israel's water ritual under the Law, was merely symbolic within their God given culture: The Law, but as a witness that Paul's work among the once considered unclean Gentiles, was a work of God.

Note what happened as a result of Peter's witness - the multitude concerned about what Paul was doing out among unclean Gentiles then heard Paul out.

Acts 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

The overall narrative makes clear that Paul was water baptized; why he was; and so on.



Hi and you have written what I believe , EXCEPT that Paul was not Water Baptized at all and nothing you have written persuades me !!

You still have not shown how Paul was saved !!

I have told you many times and you will never understand , even when they say , you have no CLARITY !!

Fisrt explain 1 Cor 2:14 as it a context for today ??

No lone is SEEKING GOD , right , no not lne !!

So , according to your PATTERN , what happens next , Acts 16:14 has to happen to all that CLAIM that they are saved !!

What happens then ?

Since God opens the Heart Rom 10:9 kicks !!

All call Him LORD and that is what happened to Paul in Acts 9:6 and that means you act knownledge He is you God , Lord !!

Then Jesus gives the FAITH to believe Rom 10:9 !!

Then at the moment you recive the HOLY SPIRIT as Paul did when Paul called Him Lord by the HOLY SPIRIT as 1 Cor 12:3 , as no one call Jesus LORD but by the Holy Spirit !!

And this the PATTERN of 1 Tim 1:16 !!

I have said this mant times to you and this will go over your head AGAIN !!

And I could use verb tense to prove my case in 1 Cor 12:3 BUT you will not believe and I probably left some , maybe !!

So how were you save d GRASSHOPPER and Paul was Baptized twice , Once by the Indwelling of the Holy AND in verse 17 FILLED with POWER of Holy Spirit , do you see the difference ??

But I will have to at least give you one verb tene in 1 Cor 12:3 and it is the Greek word SAY which is in the AORIST TENSE which points back to Acts 9:6 where Paul called Jesus LORD , but by the Holy Spirit is where was baptized with the Holy Spirit !!

This is why I am Acts 9:6 and other position are wrong !!

This is where the Body olf Christ began , PERIOD and the first one saved by God and ETC , ETC

dan p
 

Danoh

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Hi and you have written what I believe , EXCEPT that Paul was not Water Baptized at all and nothing you have written persuades me !!

You still have not shown how Paul was saved !!

I have told you many times and you will never understand , even when they say , you have no CLARITY !!

Fisrt explain 1 Cor 2:14 as it a context for today ??

No lone is SEEKING GOD , right , no not lne !!

So , according to your PATTERN , what happens next , Acts 16:14 has to happen to all that CLAIM that they are saved !!

What happens then ?

Since God opens the Heart Rom 10:9 kicks !!

All call Him LORD and that is what happened to Paul in Acts 9:6 and that means you act knownledge He is you God , Lord !!

Then Jesus gives the FAITH to believe Rom 10:9 !!

Then at the moment you recive the HOLY SPIRIT as Paul did when Paul called Him Lord by the HOLY SPIRIT as 1 Cor 12:3 , as no one call Jesus LORD but by the Holy Spirit !!

And this the PATTERN of 1 Tim 1:16 !!

I have said this mant times to you and this will go over your head AGAIN !!

And I could use verb tense to prove my case in 1 Cor 12:3 BUT you will not believe and I probably left some , maybe !!

So how were you save d GRASSHOPPER and Paul was Baptized twice , Once by the Indwelling of the Holy AND in verse 17 FILLED with POWER of Holy Spirit , do you see the difference ??

dan p

dan p

I post what I post.

I owe you no need to kiss up to you and prove to you some insistent nonsense of yours.

You talk about the New Man.

But all you ever manifest is the Old with double exclamation points as your Old Man's trimmings. :chuckle:

Fact is, back when I had still believed you had merely wanted to know what my take was, I not only answered your silly question long ago, but twice, and you approved both times.

As it has turned out - any legalist worth his salt, would, when "properly" cow towed to :D

Lol - add absent minded to your list of "qualifications."

Try a little Gal. 2:20, DP.

In fact, try a whole lot :crackup:
 

DAN P

Well-known member
I post what I post.

I owe you no need to kiss up to you and prove to you some insistent nonsense of yours.

You talk about the New Man.

But all you ever manifest is the Old with double exclamation points as your Old Man's trimmings. :chuckle:

Fact is, back when I had still believed you had merely wanted to know what my take was, I not only answered your silly question long ago, but twice, and you approved both times.

As it has turned out - any legalist worth his salt, would, when "properly" cow towed to :D

Lol - add absent minded to your list of "qualifications."

Try a little Gal. 2:20, DP.

In fact, try a whole lot :crackup:


Hi and here is what has happenned to many who say they are DISPENSATIONALIST , like you and I have met some of them , that they vare TINTED with Acts 28er teaching and many say that Paul was saved under KINGDOM teaching ,

I have told you HOW Paul has been saved 3 times , and it went over your head and you have EXPOSED your teaching as ALL MIXED UP !!

This is why you can never explain how Paul was SAVED as Paul is even explaining it to all and either you know or you don;t AND YOU DO NOT !!

If Paul was saved at ACTS 9:6 , WHERE was Paul saved and HOW and IF Paul did water baptize , when did he stop ?

Give a verse ??

This is how people are saved and DISPENSATIONALISM began with Paul and also the B O C and NOTHING else makes no sense and when Paul is under stood , all DARKNESS becomes light !!

dan p
 

turbosixx

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Hi and that is a big YES !!

Otherwisw 1 Cor 1:17 means NOTHING
If Paul was not water baptized, then why was he baptizing people approx. 15 years after his conversion which is not the "pattern"?
He personally baptized some of those people in Corinth. That totally agrees with my understanding but contradicts yours.



Acts is diffuct for anyone as many confuse REPENTANCE and Water Baptizo given to Israel !!\\

Paul said God whats everyone to repent.
Acts 17:30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,
 

turbosixx

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When Paul was saved, the norms and standards of the prior dispensation, though no longer; had nevertheless been the only norms and standards people Ananias had known.

I would suggest that is not exactly the case. True washings were performed in the OT but they were a shadow of what we have in Christ just like the high priest, the tabernacle and so forth. I'm not aware of any person being baptized as a cleansing under the law, washed yes but being immersed no. I could be wrong which does happen more than I like.

John the baptist was to prepare the way of the Lord. He did baptize for a cleansing but we know it didn't have the power of the blood of Christ behind it. Therefore, it was only for repentance and not for the forgiveness of sins. That's why it was only preparing.

Once Jesus offered himself, he was given all authority in heaven and on earth, Matt. 28:18. He then tells the apostles how to make Christians of all nations, baptizing them in his name. For the first time, baptism had the authority of the Christ behind it.
Matt. 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Just as the high priest had to cleanse himself before he approached God we must do the same but not like under the old law but under the new and living way, Heb.10:19-20.

I would suggest the key phrase here is "in the name of". Jesus didn't have authority of high priest under the old law because he was from the wrong tribe. Jesus also abolished the law by his sacrifice, Eph.2:15. This was under a new law and backed by the authority of his blood. I would suggest "in the name of" is how we call upon the name of Jesus and his authority. If you will notice Paul's conversion, after all he had done in 3 days, struck and spoke to Jesus, praying for 3 days, having hands laid on him, regaining his sight, receiving the Holy Spirit and yet what does Ananias say, "why do you delay". He still had one more thing to do which was "be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.'" All that he had done prior did not remove his sin nor was it calling on Jesus' name.
 
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