Just because you started the thread doesn't mean you get to control who talks to whom.Its my OP not hers, do you want to discuss it with me ?
Just because you started the thread doesn't mean you get to control who talks to whom.Its my OP not hers, do you want to discuss it with me ?
Hi go ahead if you want to ?
dan p
Just because you started the thread doesn't mean you get to control who talks to whom.
Then don't post comments like this:I dont care who talks on them !
I want to discuss the points of the OP, thats why I started the thread. Do you care to do that ? Or do you want to start a rabbit trail ?
The fall of man into sin was necessary because Jesus Christ who created Adam is the Resurrection and the Life Jn 11:25 710
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Before Adam was created Jesus Christ was the Resurrection, which resurrection denotes His resurrection from the dead following His death for the sins of His People. Yet He was the present tense " I am the Resurrection" even before He actually died in time. When He said these words, He had not yet died on the cross !
The fall was necessary in that it was a means to a Glorious end. That end being to conform the chosen ones into the image of the risen Christ. Rom 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Naturally the elect weren’t born in this Image, but in the image of the earthy or natural as per 1 Cor 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Paul wrote to the Philippians Phil 3:20-21
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
This comes through the redemptive death and resurrection and glorification of Christ.
Surely being conformed to the image of Christ via redemption wasn't a subordinate and inferior purpose of God as in naturally and earthy wise the elect bare the image of Adam made of the earth
Amen Brother ! The Lord Jesus Christ has always been the Resurrection and the Life John 11:25 [Eternal Life] 1 John 5:11; Heb. 13:8 for all God's Elect Mat. 1:21 [His People] which were originally in Adam their Federal Head before the Fall. The same ones are those who were Chosen in Union with Christ Eph. 1:4-11; given Him of the Father John 10:29, and raised up together with Him Col. 2:13; John 10:29. For Eternal Life is Resurrection Life:
1 Pet. 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
That Eternal Life that the Elect receive when they are made alive spiritually is their part of Christ's Resurrection from the dead Titus 1:2. So Eternal Life was promised before the world began to those In Christ Eph. 1:4 exclusively. But it was never the hope of any man through Adam.
The Fall was necessary because Christs death for sin which came into the world by adams fall, was already preordained before the world began Rev 13:8/755
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Now the foundation of the world existed before adam. Not only that 1 Pet 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Christ and His redeeming blood was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world !
It can be said Christs death for sin was predestined before the foundation,, and if it was, so was the fall which therefore make it necessary to fulfill the decree of God !
Excellent points and very edifying !
The Fall was necessary because Christs death for sin which came into the world by adams fall, was already preordained before the world began Rev 13:8/755
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Now the foundation of the world existed before adam. Not only that 1 Pet 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Christ and His redeeming blood was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world !
It can be said Christs death for sin was predestined before the foundation,, and if it was, so was the fall which therefore make it necessary to fulfill the decree of God !
Hi and you NEVER ANSWERED Phil 3:21 and I do not make RABBIT TRAILS like you do , as you have BLOVIATED above !!
So how are you saved by the Gospel of Calvinism , PRAY TELL ??
dan p
Very well said !
Yes indeed, it was all of God, for He preordained it according to His Eternal Purpose in Christ, to Create a portion of mankind, God's Elect Eph. 1:4-5; 1 Pet. 1:20; Rom. 9:23, that Christ the Lamb was set up for from everlasting Prov.8:23; Rev. 13:8 to shed His Blood for Heb. 7:22; 1 Pet. 1:19; to Save them, His People given Him of the Father John 10:29; Heb. 2:17, to make reonciliation for their sins.
For this reason we have a Scripture 2 Tim. 1:9 that informs those with ears to hear Prov. 20:12 of a revealed Mystery about Christ and the Grace that was given His Elect exclusively, before the world began.
2 Tim. 1:8-9
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Hi Did you want to discuss the post you quoted ?
Hi and you are completely AVOIDING Phil 3:21 , WHY ? I know you CAN NOT !!
You are so CALLOW and will NEVER say how any person can be saved under the Gospel of CALVINISM , you must be ASHAMED , is what I see !!
Hi Nanja , why not help B7 OUT , IF you can ??
dan p
I guess you dont, figures !
We know the fall was necessary by the simple fact it occurred in Gods World He created, and all things and events that happens in His world are under His Control and management ! Dan 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? 794
In the fall adam did only according to Gods will !
Hi and you NEVER ANSWERED Phil 3:21 and I do not make RABBIT TRAILS like you do , as you have BLOVIATED above !!
So how are you saved by the Gospel of Calvinism , PRAY TELL ??
dan p