Was Gen 1 and 2 one event blended or two separate events?

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Ps82

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Anyone interested in hearing/discussing the possibilities of it being a part one and part two event? I'll start it if anyone is interested.
It helps me understand how God could rest and yet the LORD God work. What I see opens my eyes on how to look at the trinity concept.
 
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I would present my theory which I would hope may show that creation was done in two TIME FRAMES. Genesis 1 would involve God/Elohiym/Elohim as the ONE Spiritual God. Gen. 2 would involve the generations when our ONE God worked within creation where Moses identifies him by a special NAME - The LORD/The LORD God/I think the KJE relates to YHWH or YHVH.

I'm not so concerned weather I have the YHWH or the YHVH spelled correctly or whether some would rather say Yahweh ... what is important to me in making my point is that Moses let us know a NAME was appropriately applied to our God who worked on the 7th Day in Gen. 2. To me a name change like - Elohim to Yahweh means something significant has occurred.
 
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Ps82 said:
I would present my theory which I would hope may show that creation was done in two TIME FRAMES. Genesis 1 would involve God/Elohiym/Elohim as the ONE Spiritual God. Gen. 2 would involve the generations when our ONE God worked within creation where Moses identifies him by a special NAME - The LORD/The LORD God/I think the KJE relates to YHWH or YHVH.

I'm not so concerned weather I have the YHWH or the YHVH spelled correctly or whether some would rather say Yahweh ... what is important to me in making my point is that Moses let us know a NAME was appropriately applied to our God who worked on the 7th Day in Gen. 2. To me a name change like - Elohim to Yahweh means something significant has occurred.
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Your theory is nonsense.

The Bible says that God RESTED on the 7th day.
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Gen 2:2 (AKJV/PCE)​
(2:2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. ​
 
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First, there is only ONE real God and he is Spirit. He is invisible. He is LIFE ...and so it goes with his endless character and abilities. I believe because HE is Life and the giver of life I accept that all of his infinite essence is alive; therefore, if he singles out any of his abilities I might write about it as the Living WORD of God.

Regarding Genesis 1 I believe the first two verses make things very clear about who was working.

1 In the beginning God/Elohiym created the heaven and the earth.

  • To me verse 1 is like the title of the section of which Moses was about to write. It also lets people know something about God by using Elohiym to name him. Strong's Concordance writes a typical wordy definition; so, I'm going to paraphrase what I got out of it.
  • It is a plural noun which takes a singular verb form. In grammar that would be like a collective noun: The TEAM is. The COMMITTEE does. God speaks. It can speak of multiple "ordinary gods" but it is especially used to speak of "The Supreme God." I figure a collective noun does not present HIM as being many individual gods ... but rather points to the infinite plurality of his living spiritual essence.
  • The title shows it is The Spirit described as The ONE supreme God with an infinite living essence was the ONE working to created.
  • Now, if you read the entire chapter 1 you will see that The Voice of God- The Living WORD of God was with God and was God working in the beginning. God spoke things which were not into being.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

My paraphrase would go like this:
It was a time when even the earth had not been formed and there was nothing yet on it.

He worked in darkness (I'm guessing - invisibleness). A time when The Spirit of the Supreme God was working within himself upon the face of the waters (His living essence).

I suggest living essence because I've found in the NT that water often referred to life as when Jesus told the woman at the well that he had water to give her from which she would never thirst again... IOW, eternal life instead of H2O.

Of course, the chapter continues with the Spirit working as he creates things that had never before existed.
 
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Heretical STUPIDITY!

I mean - WOW!

Why do such people even bother with reading the bible at all? Just go make up a religion and preach that! Stop making people think you're a Christian! We don't want you on our side!
 
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Now, before I leave Genesis 1 I would like to add this: Even though I believe God/Elohiym was first moving within himself and creating things I don't believe anything to be brought forth could be seen until HE called forth LIGHT. In the NT John the Baptist taught that our Lord Jesus was THAT LIGHT which lighteth all men. ... oh well.

Here are just a few of my ideas/theories of Elohiym/God the Spirit's works in Gen. 1:
It was at the point LIGHT was called forth when I believe God began bringing things out of the dark invisibleness into realms of visibility. God made/establish the firmament and it divided the waters/ life from life ... The firmament He established was called Heaven; so, what I perceive here is three realms. Life above the Heaven and life below the Heaven and then there was the Heaven = 3. Most of us consider that God lives in the heavenly firmament which seems to say here separates the other two. Since there is life in all three ... it would be fun to ponder what sort of living things might exist in them. Hmmmm....

Okay, back to my topic of Gen. 1 and 2 being two time periods of work.

Well, Moses writes in a manner that leads us to think they are two different time periods.
  • Genesis 1: Took 6 days ... when God the Spirit worked
  • Genesis 2: The 7th Day the Spirit stopped working ... and we read how the work that began was described as generations of work.
Watch -paraphrased: 1:31 And God/Elohiym saw every thing he had made and it was very good...
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host (multitudes) of THEM.
2:2 And on the seventh day God/Elohiym ended his work .... and rested ...
2:3 God blessed the seventh day and sanctified IT, (set apart as holy, sacred, set aside for a divine purpose) Hmmm ... a purpose???)

Now, for the 7th day:
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

Hope some noticed these truths:
The 7th day took generations.
God/Elohiym/The Spirit had already made the heavens and earth ... finished HIS WORK and was resting.
Hmmm...

I'll come back later to share my thoughts about these QUESTIONS over Gen. 2:
  • Do you see there has been a name change? What could that mean?
  • If Elohiym/God stopped working ... then who was it that worked during the generations called the 7th day?
  • If there is only ONE God/ONE CREATOR then surely wouldn't God have worked on the 7th Day too!
  • Does a 'name change' from God/Elohiym to The LORD God reveal the mystery?

 
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  • Do you see there has been a name change between who was working in Gen. 1 and Gen. 2? What could that mean? So who is working?
Our first clue came from Elohiym/God in Genesis 1 when he said: "Let us make man in our image." The Spiritual God was already thinking about working as multiple personages while remaining the one all encompassing Spiritual God.

  • Who is this personage The Spirit God had in mind and what would make this multiple personages possible?
Another clue was given above. It was the introduction of an image belonging personally to the invisible God. A created image for God's own purposes = Our image. Then God said, :Let us use our image to form an image for mankind ... after our likeness. What an honor that was for Adam! To be given a body that favored God's personal created presence!

  • If Elohiym/God the Spirit stopped working ... then who was it that worked during the 7th Day which went on for generations?
I suggest it was God working visibly within creation appearing with his one and only chosen and created image. The image was not God but merely like a tabernacle where God the Spirit could dwell among men as Emmanuel. It was a living presence which could speak and walk with Adam and Woman face to face in the Garden. Adam was similar to it because Adam was not his created body but his body also had a measure of life and was like a house where the spirit man (male female) could dwelt upon the earth walking and talking as well. I dare to suggest that MANKIND existed spiritually with in the infinite essence of God before mankind existed within a body upon the earth. Adam did not get his body until Genesis 2 thanks to the work of the presence of God who began manifesting things already created from out of the spiritual realm into the earthly realm. This is the very reason I believe that Gen. 1 is part one of creation and Gen. 2 is part two. Separate times of work.

Why else do I suggest this? Watch, this paraphrase of Gen. 2: 4-9:
4 These are the generations of the heavens and earth ... in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
5 A time before the plants of the field was in the earth, the herbd before it grew ... for the LORD God had not caused it to rain .. and there wasn't even a human to tll the ground.

Wait a minute. Gen. 1 mentioned plants and Adam and etc. before the 7th day; so, where were they before if they weren't there on the 7th Day?
I suggest: These things were in the Spirit realm within God just not yet visually manifested by The LORD within the created realm called earth!

continued ...
6 There went up a mist to water the face of the ground
7 The LORD formed man of the dust of the ground (elements of the creation) and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life ... and at that point man became a living soul ... being a living spiritual being while also having a living walking talking body = a soul after the likeness of God's own image.

  • If there is only ONE God/ONE CREATOR then surely wouldn't God have worked on the 7th Day too?
Yes, God worked but he worked while using his created and chosen image to appear ... Let us use our image. He was known as an individual who could communicate literally face to face. That is why Adam and Woman heard him (the WORD) walking and thought they could hide from his on coming presence.

John the Baptist suggests it was God's WORD, (who was God and was with God eternally as part of God's very own character essence) who appeared. He was even given a name when he worked in the OT. Moses later in the scripture he wrote tells the world his name - The LORD God/YHWH,Yahweh.

  • So did the 'name change' from God/Elohiym to The LORD God reveal a mystery?
I say yes! It revealed God as both a Spirit plus God as a manifested personage within creation. Now, learning about the appearance of the image of The Angel of The LORD would take a long time to prove to others. I'll just say it is able to dwell WITHIN unapproachable LIGHT or it can be manifested more safely or it can be manifested as flesh!

Just two points: John the Baptist taught about Jesus plus two more things Jesus revealed about himself:
Jesus was the WORD of God ... who had come.
Jesus was THAT LIGHT who had come and people beheld him but did not know him.
The Father worketh here to fore ... now I work.
The Father and I are one ... when you have seen me you have seen the Father.

So who would you say worked during the generations of the 7th Day?
Who do you concluded worked during the first 6 days of creation?
 
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