ECT Unshackled: How Darby Stumbled Upon Dispensational Truth

[Danoh]

What Darby, Bullinger, Russell, Spurgeon, King, DeMar, Gentry, Sparks, Luther, Sister Bertrill, Sponge Bob, Archie Bunker..................................................................................... ..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................taught, and when, has no bearing on veracity-it is irrelevant when, or who, taught objective truth. Truth is discovered, and when/how, or if you believe it, has no bearing on its veracity.

Well aware of that, and have been for many years.

At the same time, he is slandering one of our own. Others are reading his vile words and might like to know the truth of that matter.

But, the OP is there for whomever out there looking such things up on the net is inclined and has ears to hear.

Good point. Good save. Last thing I want is to end up looking like we put Darby on the pedestal of "never could put two and two together on my own" that Tet so exudes with his every mis-statement.

 

[tetelestai]

At the same time, he is slandering one of our own.

Darby's teachings pervert the Word of God.

You can keep trying to defend Darby all you want, but it won't stop me and others from exposing Darby's false teachings for what they are.

 

[Danoh]

Very telling that your list begins with Darby.

And, you're right....there really isn't much different between the teachings of Sponge Bob and John Nelson Darby.

Lol; that was funny :rotfl:

Now...back to your slandering...

"From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli" you abuser of the right to freedom of speech.

 

[john w]

Very telling that your list begins with Darby.

And, you're right....there really isn't much difference between the teachings of Sponge Bob and John Nelson Darby.

You are a pathetic liar, engager in deceit, on one hand, demon, asserting that dispensationalism is false, because it is taught by "fallible men," and, then, on the other hand, asserting it is false, because it is taught by infallible men."

You disgusting devil boy. Just tell us that you never "follow men" demon, and identify these "infallible men,"that you claim you follow.


I thought so, deceiver.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Darby's teachings pervert the Word of God.

You can keep trying to defend Darby all you want, but it won't stop me and others from exposing Darby's false teachings for what they are.

:baby:

 

[Totton Linnet]

Dispensations aren't time periods.

God dealt with Israel and the Jews under the old covenant.

God deals with the church under the new covenant.

The difference is in the covenants, not time periods called "dispensations".

Who has ever said they were time periods? Dispensation means minister, God administers His grace to the Gentiles differently than He did to the Jews under the law.

 

[tetelestai]

Who has ever said they were time periods?

Dispensationalists.

google "Dispensationalism" and you will find the following at Wikipedia:

"It considers Biblical history as divided deliberately by God into defined periods or ages to each of which God has allotted distinctive administrative principles."

Dispensation means minister, God administers His grace to the Gentiles differently than He did to the Jews under the law.

Only because the new covenant replaced the old covenant.

In the new covenant, there is a different priesthood and different law.

 

[Krsto]

Hi and they like to BLOVIATE and never will be able to accept what the Holy Spirit had Paul write in Eph 3:2 " seeing that you have heard of thr DISPENSATIONOF OF THE GRACE OF GOD , HAVING BEEN GIVEN TO ME FOR YOU over 2000 years ago ,, and then try to say that Darby just wrote them a few years ago !!:chuckle::chuckle:

Dispensationalism is found throughout all of Paul's 14 letter's !!


dan p

Dispensationalism is not mere acceptance of the fact God has had dispensations. Otherwise, all Christians would be dispensationalists, since all Christians believe in the different covenants. In non-dispensationalist theology the covenants are the dispensations of God as mentioned in the bible.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Dispensationalists.

google "Dispensationalism" and you will find the following at Wikipedia:

"It considers Biblical history as divided deliberately by God into defined periods or ages to each of which God has allotted distinctive administrative principles."




Only because the new covenant replaced the old covenant.

In the new covenant, there is a different priesthood and different law.

Are you saying God did not allot different administrative principles to Adam before and after the fall? To the Patriarchs? to Israel under the law? to Gospel believers?

Paul speaks about the dispensation of condemnation and the dispensation of justification. Theologians have always recognised the diversity of God's dealings.

 

[tetelestai]

Paul speaks about the dispensation of condemnation and the dispensation of justification.

There is no such thing as "the dispensation of condemnation" and "the dispensation of justification".

Nowhere in the Bible will you find these phrases.

However, you will find "new covenant".

 

[Danoh]

Dispensationalism is not mere acceptance of the fact God has had dispensations. Otherwise, all Christians would be dispensationalists, since all Christians believe in the different covenants. In non-dispensationalist theology the covenants are the dispensations of God as mentioned in the bible.

Part of the problem is that very few within any school of thought will bother the read and or read indepth the material of any other school but their own.

If you look at the Apostle Paul; he seems to have been more than familiar not only with what all sorts of people believed, but their basis.

For example, when witnessing to a Muslim, it is taken as an offence to ask them how their mom, wife, or sister is doing.

It is also offensive to shake their right hand with your left, say, because you are on the phone with your right hand, or something.

Only when you go into why they hold those beliefs are you able to tailor sharing your faith in light of their norms.

Again, an area where the Apostle Paul had been well versed.

Most Believers remain as ignorant and intolerant of such things as they were when they were lost.

 

[patrick jane]

Part of the problem is that very few within any school of thought will bother the read and or read indepth the material of any other school but their own.

If you look at the Apostle Paul; he seems to have been more than familiar not only with what all sorts of people believed, but their basis.

For example, when witnessing to a Muslim, it is taken as an offence to ask them how their mom, wife, or sister is doing.

It is also offensive to shake their right hand with your left, say, because you are on the phone with your right hand, or something.

Only when you go into why they hold those beliefs are you able to tailor sharing your faith in light of their norms.

Again, an area where the Apostle Paul had been well versed.

Most Believers remain as ignorant and intolerant of such things as they were when they were lost.

I sense a lot of anger, bitterness and resentment in your posts.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Dispensationalism is not mere acceptance of the fact God has had dispensations. Otherwise, all Christians would be dispensationalists, since all Christians believe in the different covenants. In non-dispensationalist theology the covenants are the dispensations of God as mentioned in the bible.

MADists here say they are under no covenant.

LA

 

[Totton Linnet]

There is no such thing as "the dispensation of condemnation" and "the dispensation of justification".

Nowhere in the Bible will you find these phrases.

However, you will find "new covenant".

2.Cor.3.9
For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness much more exceed it.

Ministration and Dispensation is the same word

 

[tetelestai]

2.Cor.3.9
For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness much more exceed it.

2 Cor 3:9 is a comparison of the old covenant and the new covenant.

 

[Danoh]

I sense a lot of anger, bitterness and resentment in your posts.

Lol - you're right - YOU do.

But believing a thing is so does not mean it is.

If you were right; I would have right off corrected you on what you said about "to the Jew first," but I did not.

I am neither bitter nor believe in payback. Neither is our call.

 

[HisServant]

Are you saying God did not allot different administrative principles to Adam before and after the fall? To the Patriarchs? to Israel under the law? to Gospel believers?

Paul speaks about the dispensation of condemnation and the dispensation of justification. Theologians have always recognised the diversity of God's dealings.

Salvation has always been the same from the fall onward.... mankind has always been treated the same.

During history, God has given different people/groups tasks to accomplish.. and they had physical rewards and benefits, but the way to salvation has never changed one iota.

The classic definition of a dispensation that Darby used was that after each dispensation, God tested men and then altered his plan according to man's response. Darby put the onus on mankind instead of the grace of God.. he puffed up men and relegated God to being a reactionary servant of our behavior.

Most Dispensationalists will deny the above, but it was preached by the man who dreamed up your system of belief.

I find the belief very dangerous to the soul, because it emphasizes man and does not recognize the sovereignty of God.

For me, there are only two covenants in scripture that matter to mankind, the one given to Adam which pointed to Christ and the one given to Christ's church that points back to Christ. All the other covenants had to deal with God tasking a people with a particular task and had no effect on their salvation.

 

[fzappa13]

Once again, an article that proves John Nelson Darby invented Dispensationalism.

From the article:

" J.G.B. came up and said they were teaching some new thing in England. “I have it!” I said.” - John Nelson Darby

As we see, in Darby's own words, Dispensationalism was "some new thing".

Yet, just about every Dispensationalist on TOL lives in denial. They all refuse to acknowledge that Darby invented Dispensationalism.

I think you give too much credit/blame to Darby. Dispensational thought already had been substantially fleshed out by the time he came on the scene and embraced the new notion of a pretrib rapture and incorporated it into the dispensational teaching already existant. This was the foundation for the brand of dispensationalism to be later dispensed by the Dallas Theological Seminary to successive generations of their students.

He didn't invent Dispensationalism but he found a ready audience in those who embraced it when he offered them more fodder for the notion that the "church" was distinct from believers of the past and destined to experience a different and decidedly much less unpleasant fate than others that had gone before them.

 

[tetelestai]

by the time he came on the scene and embraced the new notion of a pretrib rapture and incorporated it into the dispensational teaching already existant.

He invented the "secret rapture".

Chiliasm (millennialism) had existed since the second century.

Darby was the first to teach that God still had a plan for Israel, that the plan for Israel had been put on hold, and that a secret parenthetical dispensation (time period) had been inserted with God's plan for Israel.

Zionism had also already existed before Darby.

Basically, Darby invented the secret rapture as a way for the people of the secret parenthetical time period to be removed from planet earth so God could pick back up with Israel.

No one taught this rubbish before Darby.

 

[Danoh]

I think you give too much credit/blame to Darby. Dispensational thought already had been substantially fleshed out by the time he came on the scene and embraced the new notion of a pretrib rapture and incorporated it into the dispensational teaching already existant. This was the foundation for the brand of dispensationalism to be later dispensed by the Dallas Theological Seminary to successive generations of their students.

He didn't invent Dispensationalism but he found a ready audience in those who embraced it when he offered them more fodder for the notion that the "church" was distinct from believers of the past and destined to experience a different and decidedly much less unpleasant fate than others that had gone before them.

Yours is a post that, although able to communicate its thought clearly, the basis of said thought is nevertheless misinformed.