Two Covenants-(Testaments)-(Laws)

[Squeaky]

You were talking about the devil and a belief system. I hope this helps.

I said
Yes your devil. Everyone has a devil in them. Look at yourself. The devil is the one that has you play the musical chairs. Posting on more than one thread, three or four at a time. And doing it speedily trying to get the other person to stumble. If someone told you to do that they lied. If you came up with it on your own it is from your own devil.

 

[Jacob]

I said
Yes your devil. Everyone has a devil in them. Look at yourself. The devil is the one that has you play the musical chairs. Posting on more than one thread, three or four at a time. And doing it speedily trying to get the other person to stumble. If someone told you to do that they lied. If you came up with it on your own it is from your own devil.

No.

When I learned to respond I did not know about the number of threads, only responding to a post or what a person typed or quoted. If we create or start more than one thread, a person can post in or on more than one of our threads. However, this makes it difficult if we do not abide by the OP or there is anything between the individuals posting. The Bible does not say anything about how everyone has a devil in them. Or even that a person has a devil. You are corrupting the Word of God.

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[Squeaky]

No.

When I learned to respond I did not know about the number of threads, only responding to a post or what a person typed or quoted. If we create or start more than one thread, a person can post in or on more than one of our threads. However, this makes it difficult if we do not abide by the OP or there is anything between the individuals posting. The Bible does not say anything about how everyone has a devil in them. Or even that a person has a devil. You are corrupting the Word of God.

Shalom.

Jacob

I said
You are an idiot.
Thorn In The Flesh (A sin or physical disability?) A Devil


2 Cor 12:6-15
6 For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.
8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.
9 And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
11 I have become a fool in boasting; you have compelled me. For I ought to have been commended by you; for in nothing was I behind the most eminent apostles, though I am nothing.
12 Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds.
13 For what is it in which you were inferior to other churches, except that I myself was not burdensome to you? Forgive me this wrong!
14 Now for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be burdensome to you; for I do not seek yours, but you. For the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.
15 And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved.
Heb 2:6-11
6 But one testified in a certain place, saying: "What is man that You are mindful of him, or the son of man that You take care of him?
7 You have made him a little lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, and set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet." For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Heb 2:6-11
6 But one testified in a certain place, saying: "What is man that You are mindful of him, or the son of man that You take care of him?
7 You have made him a little lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, and set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet." For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Gal 5:13-24
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
1 Cor 15:30-31
30 And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour?
31 I affirm, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
Luke 13:12
12 But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, "Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity."
Luke 5:22-23
22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, He answered and said to them, "Why are you reasoning in your hearts?
23 "Which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you,' or to say, 'Rise up and walk'?
I Jn 1:1-2:5
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life--
2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us--
3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.
5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
CHAPTER 2
1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
(NKJ)
XXX For any born again Christian there will always be that one sin that keeps them humble. And every Christian needs that one sin to keep them away from pride and arrogance. If you dont have that thorn there is nothing to stop arrogance. But when you make the right decision in pleasing God you will have that a little sick feeling inside. That feeling is an unclean spirit.

I Jn 1:6-10
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
(NKJ)

 

[Jacob]

I said
You are an idiot.
Thorn In The Flesh (A sin or physical disability?) A Devil


2 Cor 12:6-15
6 For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.
8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.
9 And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
11 I have become a fool in boasting; you have compelled me. For I ought to have been commended by you; for in nothing was I behind the most eminent apostles, though I am nothing.
12 Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds.
13 For what is it in which you were inferior to other churches, except that I myself was not burdensome to you? Forgive me this wrong!
14 Now for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be burdensome to you; for I do not seek yours, but you. For the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.
15 And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved.
Heb 2:6-11
6 But one testified in a certain place, saying: "What is man that You are mindful of him, or the son of man that You take care of him?
7 You have made him a little lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, and set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet." For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Heb 2:6-11
6 But one testified in a certain place, saying: "What is man that You are mindful of him, or the son of man that You take care of him?
7 You have made him a little lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, and set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet." For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Gal 5:13-24
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
1 Cor 15:30-31
30 And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour?
31 I affirm, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
Luke 13:12
12 But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, "Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity."
Luke 5:22-23
22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, He answered and said to them, "Why are you reasoning in your hearts?
23 "Which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you,' or to say, 'Rise up and walk'?
I Jn 1:1-2:5
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life--
2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us--
3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.
5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
CHAPTER 2
1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
(NKJ)
XXX For any born again Christian there will always be that one sin that keeps them humble. And every Christian needs that one sin to keep them away from pride and arrogance. If you dont have that thorn there is nothing to stop arrogance. But when you make the right decision in pleasing God you will have that a little sick feeling inside. That feeling is an unclean spirit.

I Jn 1:6-10
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
(NKJ)

I disagree. What you are saying is completely unBiblical. The Bible does not say what you are saying. That is why I have no evidence of it.

 

[Squeaky]

I disagree. What you are saying is completely unBiblical. The Bible does not say what you are saying. That is why I have no evidence of it.

I said
lol The revelation is the evidence that it is true. That makes it biblical. The fact that you have no evidence biblically against it also makes it true. Your denial is from your devil.

 

[Jacob]

I said
lol The revelation is the evidence that it is true. That makes it biblical. The fact that you have no evidence biblically against it also makes it true. Your denial is from your devil.

You are incorrect. Revelation comes from God, not from saying that in the absence of Biblical evidence something is true. Or from saying there is denial and that a person has their own devil. To say that since there is a revelation that makes it biblical identifies that the revelation did not come from or even originate in the Bible.

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[Squeaky]

You are incorrect. Revelation comes from God, not from saying that in the absence of Biblical evidence something is true. Or from saying there is denial and that a person has their own devil. To say that since there is a revelation that makes it biblical identifies that the revelation did not come from or even originate in the Bible.

Shalom.

Jacob

I said
The absence of scripture means you only have an opinion. There is no truth without scripture.

[Jhn 17:17-19
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
19 "And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

 

[Jacob]

I said
The absence of scripture means you only have an opinion. There is no truth without scripture.

[Jhn 17:17-19
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
19 "And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

opinion does exist in scripture

Job 32:6 KJV - And Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite answered and said, I [am] young, and ye [are] very old; wherefore I was afraid, and durst not shew you mine opinion.
Job 32:10 KJV - Therefore I said, Hearken to me; I also will shew mine opinion.
Job 32:17 KJV - [I said], I will answer also my part, I also will shew mine opinion.

Job 32:6 NKJV - So Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, answered and said: "I [am] young in years, and you [are] very old; Therefore I was afraid, And dared not declare my opinion to you.
Job 32:10 NKJV - "Therefore I say, 'Listen to me, I also will declare my opinion.'
Job 32:17 NKJV - I also will answer my part, I too will declare my opinion.
Romans 11:25 NKJV - For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Romans 12:16 NKJV - Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

Job 32:17 NASB - "I too will answer my share, I also will tell my opinion.
1 Corinthians 7:25 NASB - Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy.
1 Corinthians 7:40 NASB - But in my opinion she is happier if she remains as she is; and I think that I also have the Spirit of God.
2 Corinthians 8:10 NASB - I give my opinion in this matter, for this is to your advantage, who were the first to begin a year ago not only to do this, but also to desire to do it.

 

[Squeaky]

opinion does exist in scripture

Job 32:6 KJV - And Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite answered and said, I [am] young, and ye [are] very old; wherefore I was afraid, and durst not shew you mine opinion.
Job 32:10 KJV - Therefore I said, Hearken to me; I also will shew mine opinion.
Job 32:17 KJV - [I said], I will answer also my part, I also will shew mine opinion.

Job 32:6 NKJV - So Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, answered and said: "I [am] young in years, and you [are] very old; Therefore I was afraid, And dared not declare my opinion to you.
Job 32:10 NKJV - "Therefore I say, 'Listen to me, I also will declare my opinion.'
Job 32:17 NKJV - I also will answer my part, I too will declare my opinion.
Romans 11:25 NKJV - For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Romans 12:16 NKJV - Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

Job 32:17 NASB - "I too will answer my share, I also will tell my opinion.
1 Corinthians 7:25 NASB - Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy.
1 Corinthians 7:40 NASB - But in my opinion she is happier if she remains as she is; and I think that I also have the Spirit of God.
2 Corinthians 8:10 NASB - I give my opinion in this matter, for this is to your advantage, who were the first to begin a year ago not only to do this, but also to desire to do it.

I said
ROFLOL Did you bother to read what it says about your own opinion? These back up what I said. Your own opinion is worthless and always fall short of scripture. lol Your blindness is showing.

Romans 11:25 NKJV - For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Romans 12:16 NKJV - Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

 

[Jacob]

I said
ROFLOL Did you bother to read what it says about your own opinion? These back up what I said. Your own opinion is worthless and always fall short of scripture. lol Your blindness is showing.

Romans 11:25 NKJV - For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Romans 12:16 NKJV - Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

Certainly. I understand that. I understand that I can have an opinion. I know it does not have to be my own. However, my own opinion is worthless compared with an opinion learned from God or through experience in godly living or teaching pastoring or as with Paul's ministry as an apostle. Evangelism. Prophecy. Etc....

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[Squeaky]

Certainly. I understand that. I understand that I can have an opinion. I know it does not have to be my own. However, my own opinion is worthless compared with an opinion learned from God or through experience in godly living or teaching pastoring or as with Paul's ministry as an apostle. Evangelism. Prophecy. Etc....

Shalom.

Jacob

I said
No you don't understand. When a verse says the old testament is obsolete. And you get an opinion that it is not obsolete. Your opinion is coming from your devil. And your believing him. Any thoughts in your mind contrary to what the new testament says is from your own devil.

[Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

When the Word says that the Priesthood was changed to Jesus the law was changed. And your opinion is that Jesus didn't change the law, your opinion is from your devil. And your following your own devil.

[Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

When Jesus says that all who ever came before Him are thieves and robbers . And your opinion is that is not true. Your following your devil.

[Jhn 10:1, 8
1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. ...
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

 

[Jacob]

I said
No you don't understand. When a verse says the old testament is obsolete. And you get an opinion that it is not obsolete. Your opinion is coming from your devil. And your believing him. Any thoughts in your mind contrary to what the new testament says is from your own devil.

[Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

When the Word says that the Priesthood was changed to Jesus the law was changed. And your opinion is that Jesus didn't change the law, your opinion is from your devil. And your following your own devil.

[Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

When Jesus says that all who ever came before Him are thieves and robbers . And your opinion is that is not true. Your following your devil.

[Jhn 10:1, 8
1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. ...
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

It is obsolete. But only if it was becoming obsolete. The question has been when did it become obsolete or when will it become obsolete. Some believe it was obsolete in eternity when God said that it was obsolete but that it is not obsolete now. That is not my belief.

Jesus didn't change the law. There was a change of the law with the change of the priesthood to Jesus.

You are correct when you say that all who ever came before Him are thieves and robbers. You are incorrect if you believe that God's prophets (accepting only Scripture we know this to be the prophets of God found in the TaNaK and the New Testament Scriptures or the Books from Matthew to Revelation) did not speak the word of God. Every word that Jesus spoke came from God. Jesus is the Prophet that Moses foretold. He is also the Only Begotten Son of God.

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[Squeaky]

It is obsolete. But only if it was becoming obsolete. The question has been when did it become obsolete or when will it become obsolete. Some believe it was obsolete in eternity when God said that it was obsolete but that it is not obsolete now. That is not my belief.

Jesus didn't change the law. There was a change of the law with the change of the priesthood to Jesus.

You are correct when you say that all who ever came before Him are thieves and robbers. You are incorrect if you believe that God's prophets (accepting only Scripture we know this to be the prophets of God found in the TaNaK and the New Testament Scriptures or the Books from Matthew to Revelation) did not speak the word of God. Every word that Jesus spoke came from God. Jesus is the Prophet that Moses foretold. He is also the Only Begotten Son of God.

Shalom.

Jacob

I said
You still don't see. It was made obsolete the moment Jesus died on the cross. It just took hears to teach it.

[Heb 8:13 NKJV] 13 In that He says,

"A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete.

Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


The law was changed the instant Jesus died on the cross. It just took years to teach it. And even now there are those who don't believe it. Like you.
[Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

 

[Jacob]

I said
You still don't see. It was made obsolete the moment Jesus died on the cross. It just took hears to teach it.

[Heb 8:13 NKJV] 13 In that He says,

"A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete.

Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


The law was changed the instant Jesus died on the cross. It just took years to teach it. And even now there are those who don't believe it. Like you.
[Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Shalom.

Today is Sheni (Second), 12-25, evening and morning night and day.

Was it made obsolete when Jeremiah was written, when Jesus died, or when Hebrews was written, or later? These are the options. I am saying the first. But then it says it was or is becoming obsolete (from then?).

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[Squeaky]

Shalom.

Today is Sheni (Second), 12-25, evening and morning night and day.

Was it made obsolete when Jeremiah was written, when Jesus died, or when Hebrews was written, or later? These are the options. I am saying the first. But then it says it was or is becoming obsolete (from then?).

Shalom.

Jacob

I said
it became obsolete when Jesus died on the cross. When the new covenant came into effect. Its obvious your devil is trying to pervert the truth to you.

[Heb 8:13 NKJV] 13 In that He says,

"A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete.

Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Covenant and testament are the same thing. Jesus brought the new testament. Everything happened when Jesus shed His blood on the cross.

[Heb 9:16-18, 20
16 For where there [is] a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament [is] in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
18 Therefore not even the first [covenant] was dedicated without blood. ...
20 saying, "This [is] the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you."

 

[Jacob]

I said
it became obsolete when Jesus died on the cross. When the new covenant came into effect. Its obvious your devil is trying to pervert the truth to you.

[Heb 8:13 NKJV] 13 In that He says,

"A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete.

Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Covenant and testament are the same thing. Jesus brought the new testament. Everything happened when Jesus shed His blood on the cross.

[Heb 9:16-18, 20
16 For where there [is] a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament [is] in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
18 Therefore not even the first [covenant] was dedicated without blood. ...
20 saying, "This [is] the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you."

Shalom.

I disagree with you. The writer of Hebrews quotes Jeremiah and says of God In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete.

Then

Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



It is in Jeremiah that we find what God says and the explanation that He has made the first obsolete (is in Hebrews). Are you going to say that Jeremiah or the writer of Hebrews were speaking of a time after Jesus came such as when He died?

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[Squeaky]

Shalom.

I disagree with you. The writer of Hebrews quotes Jeremiah and says of God In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete.

Then

Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



It is in Jeremiah that we find what God says and the explanation that He has made the first obsolete (is in Hebrews). Are you going to say that Jeremiah or the writer of Hebrews were speaking of a time after Jesus came such as when He died?

Shalom.

Jacob

I said
lol You still an idiot. In the old testament God spoke as though things existed which did not exist at that time. And only the Holy Spirit can explain them. But you don't know the Holy Spirit.

[Gal 3:16, 18
16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ. ...
18 For if the inheritance [is] of the law, [it is] no longer of promise; but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.

[Rom 4:17
17 (as it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations") in the presence of Him whom he believed--God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;

 

[Jacob]

I said
lol You still an idiot. In the old testament God spoke as though things existed which did not exist at that time. And only the Holy Spirit can explain them. But you don't know the Holy Spirit.

[Gal 3:16, 18
16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ. ...
18 For if the inheritance [is] of the law, [it is] no longer of promise; but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.

[Rom 4:17
17 (as it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations") in the presence of Him whom he believed--God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;

Shalom.

Today is Sheni, 12-25. It is Boker, Morning. It is Yom, Day.

I do not know how you are wanting to or trying to talk about the Holy Spirit at the same time that you call someone, me, an idiot, even just saying that I am one.

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[Squeaky]

Shalom.

Today is Sheni, 12-25. It is Boker, Morning. It is Yom, Day.

I do not know how you are wanting to or trying to talk about the Holy Spirit at the same time that you call someone, me, an idiot, even just saying that I am one.

Shalom.

Jacob

I said
The Holy Spirit is the one that is calling you an idiot. I'm just passing it on to you. The definition of the word unlearned is idiot. And believe me you don't know scripture. Even though the devil keeps telling you that you do.

 

[Jacob]

I said
The Holy Spirit is the one that is calling you an idiot. I'm just passing it on to you. The definition of the word unlearned is idiot. And believe me you don't know scripture. Even though the devil keeps telling you that you do.

You are incorrect. I do not understand everything. But the Holy Spirit has never called me an idiot. And, you are not the Holy Spirit.