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koban

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PureX said:
Racism be plum bigotsry based on race. Why not go fo' de whole nut and discuss bigotsry, itself. And since we gots some numba' of sucka's here on TOL who recon' dat bigotsry be baaaad and biblical, and some numba' of sucka's here on TOL dat do not, de "battle" part uh de debate could be upside wheda' bigotsry be Coo' in de dojigger uh one's religion. 'S coo', bro.



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Here's something interesting about Russia (and at least some, if not all of the former Soviet Socialist Republics). One's passport not only identifies one's citizenship, but one's nationality too. But the nationality is much more important than the citizenship there. It was funny to see when I was there because that doesn't work in America.
 

PureX

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Nationallity means a lot nowadays, i should say. In Russia even I call those, who looks somehow like this http://zhurnal.lib.ru/img/d/demchenko_e_l/moses/boroda1.jpg or like this http://www.regionlines.com/store/gallery/boom_2.jpg - "hach". This is very offensive for all pepople to be called like this. It's very convinient identificational word for all chechens, arabs or other non-european or non-american looking people.
This is just visual propaganda. By portraying those who look different as evil and demonic, it helps to justify a desire to treat them that way. Once we de-humanize a race or culture of people, we can hurt them and imagine that they aren't really being hurt, because they aren't really human beings, "like us".

Also, we can feel superior to them at their expense. This is what bigotry is really all about: racial, ethnic, sexual, religious, or otherwise. It's all about people who are feeling disrespected gaining back their self-respect at the expense of someone else. They're trying to improve their view of themselves by denigrating someone else.

If you look at cultures that historically have exploded in violent bigotry, you will see that just previous to the explosion of this bigotry, these same cultures were feeling humiliated or disrespected in some way. The classic example is nazi Germany. After their loss in the first world war, the allies, and particularly the French, exacted such intense economic and social retribution for the war that Germany was left in a continual state of intense economic hardship and public humiliation. It's no surprise, then, that when Hitler and the nazis came along, speaking and acting like thugs and bullies, rather than like beaten dogs, that the German people rallied to their energy, and to their bigoted dogma. The Jews became the scapegoats for all that repressed German anger and resentment simply because they were a weak minority within Germany, and the Germans hated their own weakness, so they hated seeing weakness in others, too.

The Soviet Union "lost" the cold war. And the result of their losing this war has also been severe economic hardship, and the public humiliation of the dissolution of the union. It's not at all surprising, then, that many of the people who once considered themselves the Russian "elite" of the Soviet Union are now seeking a scapegoat of their own, to express all their anger and resentments just as the Germans did with the Jews. And of course the scapegoats will be those who wanted to leave the union, and live in independance, because these people represent the "weak links" of the old Soviet system.

Here in America the extreme religious right has been culturally and politically ignored for many decades, and have copped a similar collective resentment as a result of this perceived "mistreatment". And their new scapegoat for expressing all this pent-up resentment is the American "liberal". They demonize all things "liberal" just as the nazis demonized Jews, or the Russians now demonize "foreigners". It's all just bigotry. And it's all just people seeking to alleviate the feelings of their own humiliation by humiliating and punishing someone else.

That's what bigotry is really all about.
 
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CatGirl

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Does anyone have friends-racists? I can't actuall imagine how that could be ( I hope you got what I mean - a FREIND-racist means you are kinda racist, too..) Well, or just people you know personally? I know one. He seems to be very insane and infantile. He smokes, drinks and swears a lot. I doubt he has problems with his family but he hates all non-russians! And when I try to tell him a have lots of friends from the other countries he shows something like this :Clete: everytime. Hard person. But I must say it's not the hardest case life may show.
 

Fensanity

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can being politically correct be racist. If you can't respect others differences and yet joke around about them than perhapse that is racist to. If the offense of racism didn't exist you and your differnt colored friends could all laugh about differen't racial things. But because it exist, you do have to keep the past in mind, yet not forget to laugh to.

I am white, when I was in highschool one of my best friends was black. we would joke around about race issues all the time, becuz there was no racism in the friendship.

my point being I think keeping racial differences in mind to an extreme measure(like some political correctness) can be bad too. but it would probably always be the lesser of 2 evils, not that that matters.
 
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