toldailytopic: In retrospect how badly did the Obama administration handle the terror

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toldailytopic: In retrospect how badly did the Obama administration handle the terrorist attack in Benghazi, the U.S. consulate in Libya?






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The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for October 12th, 2012 11:48 AM


toldailytopic: In retrospect how badly did the Obama administration handle the terrorist attack in Benghazi, the U.S. consulate in Libya?


To borrow Stripe's vernacular: Like a slack jawed faggot. He sat on his hands and flapped his lips. He's a sorry excuse for a leader. He doesn't have any intestinal fortitude when it comes to handling terrorists. We need a Man in the oval office!
 

WizardofOz

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Overall, Obama has handled foreign terrorism well (although he should not murder American citizens with indiscriminate drone strikes). However, 9/11 Libya was a blunder. This piece by John Nolte echos my sentiment:


The fact of a successful terrorist attack against the U.S. on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks — a day, above all others, when security for American officials in volatile countries should be at its utmost — is demoralizing and infuriating.

After months of concern by diplomats in Libya about the country’s deteriorating security, Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three embassy employees were murdered by heavily armed and organized terrorists. The possibility the government could have prevented their deaths by responding to their pleas for greater security is devastating. …

What is equally evident is that, despite repeated concerns by diplomats working in Libya, the administration shortchanged security. And when the worst happened, it wasn’t willing to tell the truth to the American people.

And as of Wednesday, administration officials continued to insist that the consulate had adequate security.

The tragedy is magnified by the fact that Stevens, by all accounts, was passionately devoted to restoring Libya as a U.S. ally. He wanted to help build a democratic nation. But he wasn’t blind to the danger still posed by militant Islamists and other anti-American groups.


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It seems to me the administrations negligence directly cost the lives of 4 Americans. And then for the president to blame it on a spontaneous reaction regarding some obscure video is just flat out embarrassing.
 

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Within the first couple of days after the attack, I remember hearing a t.v. news report that indeed the President received a telephone call that evening on 9/11, about what went down, but that he went on to bed anyway.

Any one else remember that being reported? I have not heard it repeated since.

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I love the Judge Napalotano's take on it. And fully agree with it.

There, Obama unlawfully, deceptively and unconstitutionally bombed Libya in an effort either to kill Col. Gadhafi, its former strongman and American ally, or to weaken his defenses until he surrendered. It was unlawful because he used the CIA to fight a war. It was deceptive because he lied about no boots on the ground ("boots" referring to troops, rather than intelligence agents with military hardware). It was unconstitutional because under the Constitution, only Congress may declare war on another country. This was an act of war on a legitimate government, one that then-President George W. Bush and then-British Prime Minister Tony Blair praised a few years earlier as a partner in the war against terror, and one that posed no threat whatsoever to American freedom.

Now we know that some of the very same people the U.S. fought – and supposedly defeated in Afghanistan and Iraq – were part of the coalition of violent militias that ousted Gadhafi with the help of American bombs. And the government they wrought is too weak to protect our diplomats and our real estate there from them. And so they attacked our unguarded consulate in Benghazi and killed our ambassador, and so far they have gotten away with it.

Does anyone really believe the nonsense from the Obama administration that the recent killings of Americans and others and the destruction in the Arab world are about a 15-minute grade-C movie trailer with dubbed voices and terrible acting and no plot or message? Or is the violence about the opportunity of those Bush and Obama trusted to run new governments to vent their hatred?

Is it not more likely that when the West supported toppling Arab strongmen, the rioters in the streets saw that as a signal to express hatred toward the meddling West? Might Obama’s drones, which have fallen all over the Middle East killing innocents in schools and hospitals, at weddings and funerals, and demolishing mosques and homes, be coming back to haunt him?

The Arab Spring has become the Western Winter, brought about by two American presidents who thought they could kill without moral justification or painful consequence. We should come home from these barbaric places and leave them alone. We should trade with them, since they want to buy our iPads and washing machines and blue jeans, but let them run their own governments

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The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for October 12th, 2012 11:48 AM


toldailytopic: In retrospect how badly did the Obama administration handle the terrorist attack in Benghazi, the U.S. consulate in Libya?


The Obama administration bold faced lied to the American people about what was a blatent terrorist attack on 911, is still lying about it, and will continue to lie and dodge any attempt to let the truth surface. This in an of it self shows how desperately wicked this administration really is.
 

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The Obama administration bold faced lied to the American people about what was a blatent terrorist attack on 911, is still lying about it, and will continue to lie and dodge any attempt to let the truth surface. This in an of it self shows how desperately wicked this administration really is.

And not to mention drones. Murdering innocents all over the Middle East. Nah, that's no reason to hate us.
 

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And not to mention drones. Murdering innocents all over the Middle East. Nah, that's no reason to hate us.

And you know they were innocent because???

They hated us way before any drone strikes but, again what intel do you have that any of our drone strikes have been on innocents? The nightly news? the claims of our enemies? What is your definition of innocent? I think that is a pretty big charge you bring against our intelligence community, I hope you have more than speculation to back that up.
 

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It seems to me the administrations negligence directly cost the lives of 4 Americans. And then for the president to blame it on a spontaneous reaction regarding some obscure video is just flat out embarrassing.

Don't you wonder why he was in such a bad place in the first place? And how did they know he was there?
 

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And you know they were innocent because???

They hated us way before any drone strikes but, again what intel do you have that any of our drone strikes have been on innocents? The nightly news? the claims of our enemies? What is your definition of innocent? I think that is a pretty big charge you bring against our intelligence community, I hope you have more than speculation to back that up.

You do understand how a drone strike works, right?

Do children count as innocent? Look up Hashmat Effendi and the girl named Shakira that she has cared for since finding her in a trashcan after such a strike.

I would post her picture or those of children killed by US drone strikes if it were to compel you.

Maybe you would listen to someone like David Kilcullen, a leading theorist on counterinsurgency and counterterrorism.


"If we want to strengthen our friends and weaken our enemies in Pakistan, bombing Pakistani villages with unmanned drones is totally counterproductive," Dr. David Kilcullen tells Danger Room. Kilcullen, a former Australian colonel, is considered one of the leading thinkers on counterinsurgency, providing advice to both U.S. Central Command chief Gen. David Petraeus and former Secretary of State Condolleeza Rice.

Unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs, have struck targets in Pakistan at least 40 times in the last year. The most recent attack came just days after President Obama was sworn in. Twenty-two people were reportedly killed in the strike.

U.S. officials say the drones have taken out dozens of militants who were undermining American efforts in the region. Perhaps so, Kilcullen acknowledges. But using drones to attack those militants "increase the number and radicalism of Pakistanis who support extremism, and thus undermine the key strategic program of building a willing and capable partner in Pakistan," he writes in Monday’s Small Wars Journal blog. Kilcullen gave much the same message, in testimony last week before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Kilcullen doesn’t think all UAV attacks are bad. "While ever al Qa’ida remains active and can threaten the international community from bases within Pakistan, the need to strike terrorist targets on Pakistani territory will remain. But our policy should be to treat this as an absolute, and rarely invoked, last resort," he notes.

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It's nearly impossible not to kill innocents with drone strikes. Remaining incredulous is rather naive.

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Nick M

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Do children count as innocent? Look up Hashmat Effendi and the girl named Shakira that she has cared for since finding her after such a strike.

10 Joshua turned back at that time and took Hazor, and struck its king with the sword; for Hazor was formerly the head of all those kingdoms. 11 And they struck all the people who were in it with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them. There was none left breathing. Then he burned Hazor with fire.

This relates to dealing with Islam. However, our DoD avoids civilian casulties.
 

WizardofOz

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He has encouraged and armed al-qaeda called the "Arab Spring". You now have the dumbest post of the day, beating purex.

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Obama is responsible for the Arab Spring now? Oh man, you're topping Bush haters who blamed him for everything.

Uh, the Arab Spring was going to happen with or without Obama.

But, you're a birther; obviously conspiracies fascinate you. Are you a Qaddafi fan who was also screaming for Saddam's blood a few years back? Keep talking out of both sides of your mouth, Nick. It shows us the real you.
 

WizardofOz

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10 Joshua turned back at that time and took Hazor, and struck its king with the sword; for Hazor was formerly the head of all those kingdoms. 11 And they struck all the people who were in it with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them. There was none left breathing. Then he burned Hazor with fire.

This relates to dealing with Islam. However, our DoD avoids civilian casulties.

Blowing up children with drone strikes can be rationalized away with a bible verse, huh?

You're unreal :devil:

Our DoD avoids civilian casualties how? Civilian casualties have long been brushed off as collateral damage, Nick. Wake up.
 

WizardofOz

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Neg rep from Nick M: handled it well? he encouraged the growth of al-qaeda

How did Obama encourage the growth of al-qaeda? :hammer:
Strange that this wasn't brought up in the debates....:think:
 

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10 Joshua turned back at that time and took Hazor, and struck its king with the sword; for Hazor was formerly the head of all those kingdoms. 11 And they struck all the people who were in it with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them. There was none left breathing. Then he burned Hazor with fire.

This relates to dealing with Islam.

In what way? We aren't Israel, and we haven't been commanded by God to wage war against Islam.
 

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The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for October 12th, 2012 11:48 AM


toldailytopic: In retrospect how badly did the Obama administration handle the terrorist attack in Benghazi, the U.S. consulate in Libya?


He didn't handle it. He cant handle it. He can't handle the truth. He needs others to do it for him and it took too long to get them to this time, so they ended up lying about it.

As such, showing that they believe the American people to be as incompetent as they are. As if we would believe an attack on 9/11 by muslim terrorists is anything but a terrorist attack.
 
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