Justify his concern that the judge would be unfair. Justify the judge not deciding the case.then what did you mean by "justify statements like Trump made"?
Justify his concern that the judge would be unfair. Justify the judge not deciding the case.then what did you mean by "justify statements like Trump made"?
Justify his concern that the judge would be unfair.
kmonkey said:Justify the judge not deciding the case.
Sure, if I was in his position I might have the same concern. Luckily I'm not running a shady university. :idunno:he's a plaintiff in a court case
that justifies all sorts of concerns, in my opinion
including whether his case will be heard unbiasedly
:up:i don't agree that the judge should necessarily be removed
Exactly. We've got a real problem in this country with white folks who are just as radicalized as the Muslims they purport to be worried about.
It was pointed out to me recently that all of the terrorist attacks that have occurred in the US within the intended time-frame of Trump's travel ban have been committed by white supremacists, not Jihadists, despite the ban being blocked by the courts.
Exactly. We've got a real problem in this country with white folks who are just as radicalized as the Muslims they purport to be worried about.
It was pointed out to me recently that all of the terrorist attacks that have occurred in the US within the intended time-frame of Trump's travel ban have been committed by white supremacists, not Jihadists, despite the ban being blocked by the courts.
Maybe I'm not, or maybe you didn't.You're smart enough to realize I not only did, I went at the presumption in the question.
Yes or no questions would take two cans to sort.So that leaves me wondering why you're playing this chrysostom/Trad like game of "Say it like I want you to". It smacks of a canned response.
A minute? I haven't seen my game in 15 years. I just ask questions, then more questions.But okay, I'll pretend your off your game for a minute
Does anything dealing with immigration (and because I'm pretending you're off, that includes the particular building of a wall and deporting illegals, in case that doesn't seem obvious to you) impact Latinos? Of course it does.
Thanks for those answers.Is the organization La Raza concerned with anything that impacts Latinos? Of course it is.
Does that mean there's a demonstrable conflict of interest that precludes the fair hearing by the judge in question? Of course there isn't.
I think you're going to be hard pressed to find something that impacts Mexicans harder than a Presidential Candidate who's running on a platform of deporting 6 million of them.That was the reason I set out other points in parallel. All sorts of things impact us.
Absolutely not. The Judge might have been "extra fair" to Trump for fear of being seen as political.It doesn't follow that we're incapable of fairness, of impartiality on the point of examination.
Show me them supporting the wall and mass deportations Trump style. Without that your false equivalence not only won't fly, it won't even taxi.You need more than a concern for Latino's. And the letter I noted that objected to a show encouraging undocumented workers would, if anything, read to a potential bias against the undocumented.
Trump made his case. "He's Mexican (Heritage) and I'm building a Wall."Now it's your turn to make an actual case. Can you?
Correct, But as Town will tell you Setting Out The Larger Context is important. Curiel could do damage to Trump during the Campaign. And the stakes could not be higher.I think where your argument fails is that the case in question doesn't impact Latinos. It was a Trump University case.
Probably should have.If what you propose as a conflict of interest is truly a conflict of interest then we'd have to have judges recusing themselves left and right.
Well get off your duff and get to it!Sure, if I was in his position I might have the same concern. Luckily I'm not running a shady university. :idunno:
I'm fairly sure you are and I'm dead certain that I did.Maybe I'm not, or maybe you didn't.
Yes or no tends to be misleading in any number of contexts. It works fine for, "Does that dog bite?" though.Yes or no questions would take two cans to sort.
Those weren't my answers. Those were cherry picked parts of my answers.Thanks for those answers.
That's on you for cutting them out of the context. The explanation wasn't veiled.So two "of Courses" equals an Isn't?
That's misleading too. This doesn't reduce to a subjective, "Who could know?"That's your opinion and that's fine, you're entitled to it, and Trump is entitled to his.
And if La Raza was dedicated to Mexican interests you'd really be making a point. But they aren't. In fact, you could reasonably argue their position in relation to that game show's impact infers their interest is with legal populations of Latinos in their area, which makes sense given they're a Bar association.I think you're going to be hard pressed to find something that impacts Mexicans harder than a Presidential Candidate who's running on a platform of deporting 6 million of them.
Maybe isn't something, it's wondering if there's something. No inherent conflict of interest in a maybe and no reason to recuse.Absolutely not. The Judge might have been "extra fair" to Trump for fear of being seen as political.
BUT
Maybe not.
Saying a thing is a false equivalence doesn't make it one. I can say you're a wedge of cheese, but it doesn't make you one of those either.Show me them supporting the wall and mass deportations Trump style. Without that your false equivalence not only won't fly, it won't even taxi.
Heritage wasn't in his quote. It was a later amend when enough people pointed out the error. But let's say he meant to air quote on the designation. So because Curiel's parents are naturalized citizens he can't be fair on a matter that impacts that country? A country you were quick enough to point out wasn't a racial distinction when it suited you. Your guy tacked on a bit more. He said the judge was a member of a pro Mexican group. Wrong group. Politifact weighed in on that one. Here's the link. Ultimately, when you look through various quotes by him on the point, over time, it's fairly clear that he got rulings he didn't like then decided to blame it on the judge's heritage.Trump made his case. "He's Mexican (Heritage) and I'm building a Wall."
The Politifact article looks at a number of different occasions when he's been asked about it and spoken to the point.Sure he could have elaborated more, I don't know that quote was supposed to be a perfect definitive encapsulation of the matter and I don't know that Trump could fashion on in a single sentence if that was his aim.
Curiel. Gonzalo Curiel. I've noted the confusion on La Raza and his error (being charitable) on the point.He did issue a statement clarifying his position which cited Muriel's associations.
Just setting in a buffer against the photos that literally have nothing to do with white supremacy. Well, nothing to do with it directly, at any rate.
The racists here ...