These are NOT the same gospel
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Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
OK, where is it in Luke?
Where is what? The extra year? In Acts 1-8.
Right Divider
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But you're wrong. So your point is rejected.
No.
Israel was not a nation when mankind was dispersed at tower of Babel.
Israel was a nation created from the nations.
They already got the land and a king a loooooooong time ago.
Then they were split and dispersed.
They have not had a legit king since the return of some of them from the Babylonia captivity, and won't have until the promised Messiah returns as King.
Not only that but none of them could possibly keep the whole law since they no longer have the ark for the Day of Atonement.
And as we all know, if you don't keep the whole law then you are guilty of the whole law.
Not only that, but they didn't even have their own kingdom at the time anyway.
They were under Roman rule.
Right Divider
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Israel was separated from other people.
Lev 20:22-24 (AKJV/PCE)
(20:22) ¶ Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. (20:23) And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. (20:24) But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I [am] the LORD your God, which have separated you from [other] people.
So what? God says that they will have the land and the King forever.
Isa 60:21 (AKJV/PCE)
(60:21) Thy people also [shall be] all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
So what? They will be gathered and rejoined.
Ezek 11:16-17 (AKJV/PCE)
(11:16) Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come. (11:17) Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
Ezek 37:15-19 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:15) ¶ The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, (37:16) Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions: (37:17) And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. (37:18) ¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou [meanest] by these? (37:19) Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Who said otherwise?
Their ultimate day of atonement still awaits. Do you think that this is a problem that God cannot solve?
So what?
Right Divider
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Too bad you were not there to let the Lord know that.
Matt 21:42-45 (AKJV/PCE)
(21:42) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? (21:43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (21:44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (21:45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
glorydaz
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True he did not say "search the scriptures for only certain things about Christ", and that is not what I said either.
Shame on you.
When Paul speaks of the mysteries, he says very plainly it had never been revealed before, and when speaking of the mysteries, he never says to search the scripture (concerning those mysteries). That's because Paul knew these were things hid in God and not yet revealed.
1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Colossians 1:26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
So, every time you preach that Paul's gospel is the same as the gospel of the Kingdom, you are robbing people of the knowledge that Paul preached of the mysteries.
glorydaz
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The KINGDOM was put on hold. Try not to twist what I've said.
The Kingdom was put on hold.
Sure, insisting gentiles keep the law.
Meaning with very few exceptions. Look at the Jews today, if you're in doubt.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
The rest of the parable of the fig tree is in Acts 1-8?
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
It was the Romans who crowned Him.
He also spoke this parable: “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, ‘Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?’But he answered and said to him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it.And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.’ ” - Luke 13:6-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke13:6-9&version=NKJV
Three years Christ came to minister.
One year later, He cut off unbelieving Israel, and turned to working with the Gentiles.
Acts 1-8 is the latter.
Right Divider
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I would say that Acts 1-6 is part of the "digging and fertilizing" phase.
I would say that the "cutting down" phase was Acts 7-9.
Fair enough.
Too bad you don't listen to what the Lord says.
The Lord was there and He knew it was not the appointed time for the united earthly kingdom promised.
The Lord Jesus Christ plainly said at that time that His kingdom was not of this world.
Nothing man did could possibly have thwarted God's own appointed time for the earthly kingdom to be restored.
glorydaz
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Odd, since God's appointed time has stretched into 2000 years already.
It was "nigh", and "at hand".
Or don't you recall pointing that out?
The Lord stipulated that it wasn't NOW, and why it wasn't NOW.
That is an important detail, you shouldn't have left out.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Right Divider
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I DID listen to what the Lord says, here it is again: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
The Lord is not illogical. He cannot take "the kingdom of God" AWAY from someone that does not have it.
Who said otherwise? You are battling straw-men.
Who said otherwise? You are battling straw-men.
Who said otherwise? You are battling straw-men.
I never said any such thing.
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I didn't say otherwise. You are battling a strawman.
1 Corinthians 15:1-11 ESV
(1) Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
(2) and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
(3) For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
(4) that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
(5) and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
(6) Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
(7) Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
(8) Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
(9) For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
(10) But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
(11) Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
AMEN
(1) Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
He's talking about the gospel he preached to the Corinthians.
(2) and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
(3) For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
(4) that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
The gospel Paul preached was in accordance with the scriptures.
(5) and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
(6) Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
(7) Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
(8) Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
(9) For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
(10) But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
Paul includes his own apostleship with the apostleship of the others.
And here's the kicker that shows that the gospel Paul preached was the same as theirs.
(11) Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
AMEN