Ben Masada
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According to whom? Not to the Father's will because it says it nowhere in the NT. And if you read Mat. 15:24, Jesus said that he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. Nothing to do with the Gentiles.
THERE ARE TWO GODS
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According to whom? Not to the Father's will because it says it nowhere in the NT. And if you read Mat. 15:24, Jesus said that he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. Nothing to do with the Gentiles.
Deuteronomy 6:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
Ben Masada
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The translator here was careless to say "God is one Lord." The interpretation of "one Lord" here must be understood as the only One because, the sense of "one Lord" leaves the question open for another lord which cannot logically exist.
chuckcloninger
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Even the 10 Commandments says there is more than one God. When God says "Thou shall have no other gods before me? If there were no other Gods how could there be a God placed before him? Besides the bible is a crock anyway.
Ben Masada
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Perhaps you are right by saying that the Bible is a crock, but in my honest opinion, only because you expect the Bible to agree with your own preconceived notions. That's not the reason why the Bible was written. We must live according to the Bible and not the Bible according to the way we want to live. There is nothing in the Decalogue about the existence of two
Gods.
chuckcloninger
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No, sorry but you are wrong. I am 70 and after a lifetime trying to believe the impossibilities of the Bible I finally, since now semi-retired, decided to do a study of the book. Now it is impossible to take seriously. Infallible word of God? Ha! So loaded with inconsistency, no appearance of a loving God I could find anywhere in the OT and documented changes in text made by ruling secular leaders and so much more.
Why are you so afraid? Because you're scared you aren't really saved isn't it? There isn't any "afterlife" so once gone...gone for good.
Once you do really study, and not just absurd religious dogma, you may be joining me.
Why are you so afraid? Because you're scared you aren't really saved isn't it? There isn't any "afterlife" so once gone...gone for good.
Once you do really study, and not just absurd religious dogma, you may be joining me.
chuckcloninger
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So you believe that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that he put there and that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree?
Yeah.
I can see the wisdom in that.
Yeah.
I can see the wisdom in that.
So if you accept one book that John wrote as truth, on what basis do you count the other as a falsification?
John isn't the only one to speak of a trinity. Mathew records an episode where all three persons of the trinity are present...
Matthew 3:16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Jesus, whom you've already conceded is God (John 1), the Spirit of God in the form of a dove and God the Father speaking from heaven concerning His Son.
Sounds like three to me! But then there are three kinds of people in the world; those who can count and those who can't!
Resting in Him,
Clete
Do you intend that as disrespect or as blasphemy?
Reload this Page THERE ARE TWO GODS
The portrayal of Christ as the Son of God has given rise to some confusion as to the relationship between the Father and the Son.
The "Arian Controversy" asserted that since the Son had been created by the Father, He was therefore subordinate.
The Nicene Creed (325 AD) was convened largely to address this controversy and assert the God and Christ were "consubstantial."
con·sub·stan·tial
adjective
- of the same substance or essence (used especially of the three persons of the Trinity in Christian theology).
- "Christ is consubstantial with the Father"
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chuckcloninger
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Don't you find it odd that a God who wants us to worship him (Why? That's like me wanting a colony of ants to worship me.) makes it so difficult to understand anything about him?
chuckcloninger
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No Jamie, it is a statement of fact to ponder as you Bible thumpers discuss trivialities as if they mattered.
Lon
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John 10:30 We understand both verses. You? :nono:
Lon
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No. Scriptures answers that question. Perhaps before I had read them... :think:
Lon
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:think: I believe I've studied a lot more than you have and I believe that you don't know what in the heck you are talking about. Not sure why you have 'Christian' as your moniker with statements like this, though. Nobody can take you seriously when you can't even label yourself correctly, so this is all saying a bit more about Chuck Cloninger's problem than the Bible's. Welcome to TOL but nobody is going to take you seriously with such hasty weakly contrived sentiment concerning the Word of God.
That is correct, for man is made in the image of Elohim, therefore do not put yourself before Him, (O ye little "e" elohim). :crackup:
Stop reading Torah and TaNaK as if it all concerns physical and fleshly things. Elohim is Spirit and His Word is Spirit and Life. Then perhaps instead you will be joining the holy ones.
That is what happens when you force allegorical and poetic writings into strict physical literalism so as to formulate dogmaton for the long lost dog of it, (doggon it). :chuckle:
Elia
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Bs"d
No. I understand that "I and my Father" speaks about a minimum of TWO (2) persons, and two is not and can not be one.
Why is it that when it comes to religion, that Christians suddenly cannot count to two anymore?
"Serve Y-H-W-H! And if it seems evil to you to serve Y-H-W-H, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
But as for me and my house, we will serve Y-H-W-H!.”
Joshua 24:14-15
Interplanner
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Bs"d
No. I understand that "I and my Father" speaks about a minimum of TWO (2) persons, and two is not and can not be one.
Why is it that when it comes to religion, that Christians suddenly cannot count to two anymore?
"Serve Y-H-W-H! And if it seems evil to you to serve Y-H-W-H, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
But as for me and my house, we will serve Y-H-W-H!.”
Joshua 24:14-15
Because of the definition of a trinity. As you might have noticed, that sentence goes 'I and my Father are one.' They have answered before you asked.
Nobody uses "they" to denote a singular entity outside of Trinity discussions. :WA:
Just sayin' . . . :granite:
Lon
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BS"d (I thought you were cussing when you first used that).Bs"d
No. I understand that "I and my Father" speaks about a minimum of TWO (2) persons, and two is not and can not be one.
Why is it that when it comes to religion, that Christians suddenly cannot count to two anymore?
"Serve Y-H-W-H! And if it seems evil to you to serve Y-H-W-H, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
But as for me and my house, we will serve Y-H-W-H!.”
Joshua 24:14-15
Jesus disagreed with you. And you are correct I cannot 'count' God. You try, but such is beyond you as well. We can ONLY embrace revelation He has given. That's it. Anything beyond His own estimate of Himself is a human tugging on the robes of God. Stay with BS"d more than "Elia's Help."
:nono: Not true: "They were one team, the Aquanauts." "There is only one Aquanauts."
Trinity literally means "three-one." "They" and "He" become the expression and, the gospel of John doesn't balk at that and employs such consistently.
Objection comes from those trying to 'count' God. That's an impossibility and I say again, the ONLY thing we can do is read and embrace scripture He has given revealing Himself. You can't get to God any other way. We are finite, He is infinite. You can't count to infinity.