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The world as we know it is about to end — again — if you believe this biblical doomsday claim

A few years ago, NASA senior space scientist David Morrison debunked an apocalyptic claim as a hoax.

No, there’s no such thing as a planet called Nibiru, he said. No, it’s not a brown dwarf surrounded by planets, as iterations of the claim suggest. No, it’s not on a collision course toward Earth. And yes, people should “get over it.”

But the claim has been getting renewed attention recently. Added to it is the precise date of the astronomical event leading to Earth’s destruction. And that, according to David Meade, is in six days — Sept. 23, 2017. Unsealed, an evangelical Christian publication, foretells the Rapture in a viral, four-minute YouTube video, complete with special effects and ominous doomsday soundtrack. It’s called “September 23, 2017: You Need to See This.”

Why Sept. 23, 2017?


Meade’s prediction is based largely on verses and numerical codes in the Bible. He has homed in one number: 33.

“Jesus lived for 33 years. The name Elohim, which is the name of God to the Jews, was mentioned 33 times [in the Bible],” Meade told The Washington Post. “It’s a very biblically significant, numerologically significant number. I’m talking astronomy. I’m talking the Bible … and merging the two.”

And Sept. 23 is 33 days since the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, which Meade believes is an omen.

He points to the Book of Revelation, which he said describes the image that will appear in the sky on that day, when Nibiru is supposed to rear its ugly head, eventually bringing fire, storms and other types of destruction.

The book describes a woman “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head” who gives birth to a boy who will “rule all the nations with an iron scepter” while she is threatened by a red seven-headed dragon. The woman then grows the wings of an eagle and is swallowed up by the earth.

The belief, as previously described by Gary Ray, a writer for Unsealed, is that the constellation Virgo — representing the woman — will be clothed in sunlight, in a position that is over the moon and under nine stars and three planets. The planet Jupiter, which will have been inside Virgo — in her womb, in Ray’s interpretation — will move out of Virgo, as though she is giving birth.

To make clear, Meade said he’s not saying the world will end Saturday. Instead, he claims, the prophesies in the Book of Revelation will manifest that day, leading to a series of catastrophic events that will happen over the course of weeks.

“The world is not ending, but the world as we know it is ending,” he said, adding later: “A major part of the world will not be the same the beginning of October.”

Meade’s prediction has been dismissed as a hoax not only by NASA scientists, but also by people of faith.

Ed Stetzer, a professor and executive director of Wheaton College’s Billy Graham Center for Evangelism, first took issue with how Meade is described in some media articles.

“There’s no such thing as a Christian numerologist,” he told The Post. “You basically got a made-up expert in a made-up field talking about a made-up event.… It sort of justifies that there’s a special secret number codes in the Bible that nobody believes.”

Meade said he never referred to himself as a Christian numerologist. He’s a researcher, he said, and he studied astronomy at a university in Kentucky, though he declined to say which one, citing safety reasons. His website says he worked in forensic investigations and spent 10 years working for Fortune 1000 companies. He’s also written books. The most recent one is called “Planet X — The 2017 Arrival.”

Stetzer said that while numbers do have significance in the Bible, they shouldn’t be used to make sweeping predictions about planetary motions and the end of Earth.

“Whenever someone tells you they have found a secret number code in the Bible, end the conversation,” he wrote in an article published Friday in Christianity Today. “Everything else he or she says can be discounted.”

That is not to say that Christians don’t believe in the Bible’s prophesies, Stetzer said, but baseless theories that are repeated and trivialized embarrass people of faith.

“We do believe some odd things,” he said. “That Jesus is coming back, that he will set things right in the world, and no one knows the day or the hour.”

The doomsday date was initially predicted to be in May 2003, according to NASA. Then it was moved to Dec. 21, 2012, the date that the Mayan calendar, as some believed, marked the apocalypse.

Morrison, the NASA scientist, has given simple explanations debunking the claim that a massive planet is on course to destroy Earth. If Nibiru is, indeed, as close as conspiracy theorists believe to striking Earth, astronomers, and anyone really, would’ve already seen it.

“It would be bright. It would be easily visible to the naked eye. If it were up there, you could see it. All of us could see it. … If Nibiru were real and it were a planet with a substantial mass, then it would already be perturbing the orbits of Mars and Earth. We would see changes in those orbits due to this rogue object coming in to the inner solar system,” Morrison said in a video.

Doomsday believers also say that Nibiru is on a 3,600-year orbit. That means it had already come through the solar system in the past, which means we should be looking at an entirely different solar system today, Morrison said.

“Its gravity would’ve messed up the orbits of the inner planets, the Earth, Venus, Mars, probably would’ve stripped the moon away completely,” he said. “Instead, in the inner solar system, we see planets with stable orbits. We see the moon going around the Earth.”

And if Nibiru is not a planet and is, in fact, a brown dwarf, as some claims suggest — again, we would’ve already seen it.

“Everything I’ve said would be worse with a massive object like a brown dwarf,” Morrison said. “That would’ve been tracked by astronomers for a decade or more, and it would already have really affected planetary objects.”

Some call Nibiru “Planet X,” as Meade did in the title of his book. Morrison said that’s a name astronomers give to planets or possible objects that have not been found. For example, when space scientists were searching for a planet beyond Neptune, it was called Planet X. And once it was found, it became Pluto.

Stetzer encouraged Christians to be critical, especially in an information era marred with fake news stories.

“It’s simply fake news that a lot of Christians believe the world will end on September 23,” Stetzer wrote. “Yet, it is still a reminder that we need to think critically about all the news.”

He took issue with a Fox News story with a headline that appears to give credence to the doomsday claim — and was published in the Science section under the label “Planets.”

“Every time end-of-the-world predictions resurface in the media, it is important that we ask ourselves, ‘Is this helpful?’ ” Stetzer wrote. “Is peddling these falsehoods a good way to contribute to meaningful, helpful discussions about the end of times?”

So, think Jesus will return in your lifetime?
 

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I believe so. I could be wrong - seeing history proves that empires crumble with many common characteristics - but there are so many things going on that seem to point to His return that I am more convinced it is soon.

I think the whole September 23rd thing is being trashed because of its association with Nibiru and this man's association with numerology (I hadn't actually heard of him until a few days ago). I don't believe we are on a collision course with a hidden planet etc... but having looked at the signs in the heavens (look up, Jesus did say, when all these things begin to happen) I have to admit the astronomical evidence does point to something significant very soon. Maybe it won't happen on the 23rd of September but we are turning a corner of some sort, I think.

Remembering, of course, that the things in Revelation refer to actual things (and not just alignment of heavenly bodies), I do believe that the stars were put there for signs (Gen 1:14). So I still believe there is greater historical and actual significance to what John saw, but since the heavens declare the glory of God and "night unto night uttereth knowledge" (Psalm 19:1-2), I can't deny that the Lord has put things there for our understanding. And the wise men certainly understood enough to take a long journey just to follow a star...

Now I am not an astronomer by any stretch. I'm lucky to find the North Star. So don't take this as authoritative, but when you have so many things lining up, there is cause for second thought. And I also issue the caveat that these signs in the heavens are confirmation of the situation down here on earth. The signs of the times are of far more import (as I read the scriptures) than portents in the heavens :

The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Matthew 16:1-4

The problem comes when men try to divine the mind of God by obscure phenomena when He has told us some things very plainly - that is, what society will be like at the end of the age. That being fulfilled, the astronomical evidences are either phenomenal coincidence, not actually as described in scripture (and, thus, false signs) or actually pointing to a significant change on earth.

1. A woman clothed with the sun - the sun will rise directly behind Virgo (or so I am told)
2. With the moon under her feet - the location of the moon relative to Virgo around Sept 23rd
3. Upon her head a crown of 12 stars - Leo plus Mercury, Mars and Venus (admittedly, to me this was one of the weaker propositions)
4. Travailing in birth - Jupiter, apparently, has been in Virgo since late August 2016 and began its retrograde motion in June 2017 (where it looped back on itself and started going "down" in Virgo - indicating birth). That's a 9-10 month period.

If that is all that was astronomically relevant, I would have question it since that is only a part of the passage. But there is more and (again, I am told) it has fulfillment as well :

5. There appeared a great red dragon with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns - also visible will be Serpens (7 starred constellation), Corona Borealis (another 7 starred constellation) and Bootes (a constellation with 9 or 10 major stars - depending on who you ask. Serpens is Latin for "the serpent", Corona Borealis is Latin for "northern crown" and Boötes which is actually Greek and means "plowman" or "ox-herder". That last meaning may be a let-down given the obviously direct correlation of the other two constellations, but it should be noted that an ox-herder is somewhat related to horns. HOWEVER....more compelling is the fact that these constellations all neighbor one another.

Again, I don't believe these are the full fulfillments of the prophecies in Revelation - I believe the actual fulfillments are very real and tangible. But we are promised signs and the stars are said to be for signs. So if nothing happens on September 22nd, 23rd or even the 24th, it won't rattle me. The signs here on earth are really what is most relevant. The stars only confirm the times. The disciples were disappointed when Christ didn't deliver Israel from Rome - because they didn't understand His purpose in coming. And if the time of His return is hidden, there is no reason to say that the specific day is of any import itself - only that we are in a specific season. And I could even envision a great disappointment if a secret rapture doesn't manifest itself and millions of believers are faced with confronting a world under judgment. I say that knowing that a believer can be hid away and carried through without being taken out of the world. So if there is a secret rapture, so be it. But if not - and there is persistent looking for a specific fulfillment of deliverance (i.e. being taken away bodily) - then will that person persevere? The end of Matthew 24 is a warning that the lord of that servant will come in an hour when he doesn't expect it. I am put in mind of the encouragement offered in the gospel of Luke :

And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
Luke 18:1

Watch and pray (Matthew 26:41, Mark 13:33, Mark 14:38, Luke 21:36, Eph 6:18, Col 4:2 and I Peter 4:7)
 

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nikolai_42;5101330[B said:
]I believe so. I could be wrong - seeing history proves that empires crumble with many common characteristics - but there are so many things going on that seem to point to His return that I am more convinced it is soon.[/B]

Thats what i think also.
 

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The Bible tells me to always be ready! When the Lord returns I do not believe the Lord wants to find me trying to figure out when He will return.

Tit 2:13* Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;*

I've been looking for His glorious appearing for 38 years and looking for any indication that it might be soon.
 

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Well we all see this date setting didnt happen so heres a new response:

The man who had people worried about a Sept. 23 apocalypse is peddling a new doomsday date

The man whose biblical doomsday claim had people worried about Sept. 23, 2017, is not backing down.

The world did not end over the weekend, and David Meade, a self-described “specialist in research and investigations,” is saying that’s exactly what he had expected. Now, he is focusing on another date, Oct. 15, 2017, which he claims is the beginning of the world’s destruction.

It is “the most important date of this century or millennium,” Meade wrote on his website. The action starts that day, he claimed, when the world will enter what’s called a seven-year tribulation period, a fairly widespread evangelical belief that for seven years, catastrophic events would wreak havoc on Earth.

“Hold on and watch — wait until the middle of October and I don’t believe you’ll be disappointed,” Meade wrote, before going on to promote his book, which he claims has all the details.

“You don’t have long to read it,” he added.

[The man whose biblical doomsday claim has some nervously eyeing Sept. 23]

Meade has earned a fair amount of publicity online for peddling a widely debunked claim that a planet called Nibiru is on a course toward Earth. When it passes the planet later this year, Meade said, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tidal waves and other catastrophes would ensue. Other predictions claimed that Nibiru would collide with Earth on Sept. 23, though Meade clarified that he never said that would happen.

NASA has repeatedly dismissed such claims as a hoax.

“The planet in question, Nibiru, doesn’t exist, so there will be no collision … the story of Nibiru has been around for years (as has the ‘days of darkness’ tale) and is periodically recycled into new apocalyptic fables,” NASA said on its website.

Meade previously had drawn attention to Sept. 23, saying that a constellation — a sign prophesied in the Book of Revelation — would reveal itself in the skies over Jerusalem, signaling the beginning of the end of the world as we know it. He claimed on his website that there were “major signs” in the skies that day, though he did not elaborate.

Robert Joustra, an international studies professor at Redeemer University College in Ontario, said that those who engage in apocalyptic claims often rely on mainstream information, such as the Book of Revelation. But many also find obscure references in the Bible to make predictions.

Meade, for instance, said he bases his predictions on biblical verses and numerical codes. A short biography on a website called Planet X News says Meade enjoys “relating science and the Bible,” and he believes Nibiru, which he also calls Planet X, is a “perfect marriage of the two.”

Ed Stetzer, a professor and executive director of Wheaton College’s Billy Graham Center for Evangelism, said earlier that while numbers do have a significance in the Bible, they shouldn’t be used to make sweeping predictions about planetary motions and the fate of Earth.
 

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The time of the end is being delayed at this time.The reason for this conversation is because Christians believe that it can be any day now.


2 Peter 3:4
They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

Habakkuk 2:3
For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.

Revelation 10:6
And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!

Christians should perpetuate this message for future generations of Christians. This is an effort to keep future generations from giving up while they wait. Do you see the importance of this message?
The time of the end will go beyond what people think. The last end was in 133 AD. Two days from then is 2133 AD.

Habakkuk 2

1 I will stand at my watch
and station myself on the ramparts;
I will look to see what he will say to me,
and what answer I am to give to this complaint.

The LORD’s Answer
2 Then the LORD replied:
Write down the revelation
and make it plain on tablets
so that a messenger may run with it.

3 For the revelation awaits an appointed time;
it speaks of the end
and will not prove false.
Though it linger, wait for it;
it will certainly come
and will not delay.

I have taken it upon myself to run with this message so that all will see that the prophecies have not failed. The end time prophecies will be stretched out over a period of time so the world will not be completely destroyed.

Isaiah 46:13
I am bringing my righteousness near, it is not far away; and my salvation will not be delayed. I will grant salvation to Zion, my splendor to Israel.

Isaiah 48:9
For my own name's sake I delay my wrath; for the sake of my praise I hold it back from you, so as not to cut you off.

Ezekiel 12:25
But I the LORD will speak what I will, and it shall be fulfilled without delay. For in your days, you rebellious house, I will fulfill whatever I say, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

Habakkuk 2:2-3
2. Then the LORD replied: "Write down the revelation and make it plain on tablets so that a messenger may run with it. 3. For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it lingers, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.

Revelation 10:6
And he swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!

Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.

2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.


The time is coming when people will be saying this.

2 Peter 3:4
They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

A Sabbath Rest, for the People of God.

4 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,


“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:


“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.



The reason for bringing this to your attention, is so that you can see for yourself, that the time of the end will go beyond what is believed these days. Two days from the destruction of the temple is 2067 AD. And two days from the final defeat of Israel is 2133 AD.
 

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Another weird news article, about a different david meade, and this one is a "mind reader"

Mind reader David Meade keeps getting death threats meant for doomsday theorist David Meade

David Meade said his social media feeds have been bombarded with hateful messages. His office employees have been fielding hundreds of phone calls from foreign countries. His website had been so inundated that it crashed four times.

Over the past few days, Meade had been called insulting names for predicting the end of the world. One told him to kill himself. Another threatened to find him and put his “bloody fist” down his throat.

But Meade, a Northern Ireland native who describes himself as a mind reader or a mentalist, did not peddle doomsday theories. An American who shares the same name did.

The other David Meade, a self-described “specialist in research and investigations,” has been receiving a fair amount of attention online for claiming that a planet called Nibiru would soon bring about catastrophic events on Earth. Most recently, he said that destruction would begin Oct. 15, 2017, when, he claimed, the world would enter a seven-year tribulation period, a fairly widespread evangelical belief that catastrophic events would wreak havoc for seven years.

[The man who had people worried about a Sept. 23 apocalypse is peddling a new doomsday date]

Meade’s claims, which are based on biblical verses and numerical codes, have been debunked by NASA and religious experts. But that did not stop the floodgates of vitriol against Meade, the mentalist.

“No matter what I said in response, people didn’t believe me that it wasn’t me,” Meade told The Washington Post. “I genuinely felt powerless in this online marketplace. . . . I would be lying if I said that I wasn’t worried about what this all means and what impact it might have.”

There have also been death threats, he said, some of which he had posted on Twitter.

One sender wrote:

“See when the bloody world does end I’ll bloody find you and punch the living daylights out of you as you cause me more anxiety and bloody stress than anything else in my life and I’ve thought about ending my life too no thanks to your f—ing claims. . . . Don’t ever do that again or I’ll put my bloody fist down your throat and rip up your vocal chords … ”

Another one just simply said, “I will kill you.”

“I think most of the vitriol came from confused people who panicked and worried,” said Meade, who has been responding to social media messages using #WrongDavidMeade.

He even pinned a statement to his Twitter profile to clarify the mix-up.

“I can’t be a passenger in this,” he said. “I need to let them know that it’s not true.”

Arrived here to talk about the end of the world? Well, read this before getting in touch pls :) pic.twitter.com/SqKlQyVfLW

— David Meade (@DavidMeadeLive) September 24, 2017

He said some media outlets and British tabloids had published his picture with stories about the apocalypse and linked to his Twitter feed and website, instead of the other Meade’s website, which is a repository of posts and videos about the arrival of Nibiru.

Last week, radio and television host Glenn Beck interviewed Meade, the doomsday theorist. Beck’s Twitter account, which has more than 1 million followers, promoted the interview last week and tagged the wrong Meade, who said he had to get his lawyer involved.

The tweet was the result of an innocent mistake from a staff member who posted it Thursday morning, according to Beck’s company. The post was deleted about two hours later, after a producer of Beck’s radio show saw a reply from Meade saying he had been tagged by mistake.

[The man whose biblical doomsday claim has some nervously eyeing Sept. 23]

Beck’s company also confirmed that Meade’s lawyer sent an email shortly after the tweet was posted, but said it had been buried in a generic, unmonitored inbox and was not discovered until a Washington Post reporter inquired Wednesday.

Meade, the mentalist, said he understands why many people had been mistaken. For one, the spelling of his last name — with an “e” at the end — is not that common. He also admits that his job title tends to raise some eyebrows.

“When people arrive on my website, because I’m a mentalist, I guess that’s esoteric as well,” he said.

In a nutshell, part of what he does for a living is reading minds. But unlike psychics, he does not claim to have any supernatural powers. He said he’s more of an entertainer who relies on body language, perception and other psychological tools to find out what people are thinking or to convince them to think a certain way.

The father of two, an 8-year-old girl and a 4-year-old boy, said his fascination with mind reading began at a young age, after his father died. In the rural part of Northern Ireland where he grew up, the bereaved coped by consulting psychics.

[The world as we know it is about to end — again — if you believe this biblical doomsday claim]

“So I did, and she blew me away,” he said. “I became fascinated with how she made me think and know that way.”

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In 2011, Meade started a BBC television show, in which he played the role of a mentalist. He was also a part-time lecturer at the University of Ulster’s international business school, his alma mater. Now, much of his time is spent traveling around the world to perform and speak at corporate events, he said.

“Most of my work is working with organizations on how they can use communication and persuasion, how to use mentalism to grow staff and get better results,” he said.

Meade said the mix-up could pose a problem for his business, which relies on his name recognition. Potential clients looking to hire him as a speaker could be turned off if they looked him up online. A Google search for “David Meade” yields more than 600,000 results, and majority of the top searches are about the other Meade.

“I have a large international business. I really worry that the online digital footprint of this is indelible,” he said. “I worry that in seven or nine years, this is going to keep coming up.”

We live in some bizarre times for sure, just cant make this stuff up.

Isn't false prophesying "mind reading" also, trying to read Gods mind?
 
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