The Violent Reality of Islam

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jgarden said:
How many Muslim nations were involved in WW1, WW2, the Korea War, the Vietnamese War, etc.

Christian nations have a history of being far more likely to be engaged in armed conflict than their Muslim counterparts!
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One picture worth 1,000 words...

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2 worth many many more:

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jgarden said:
How many Muslim nations were involved in WW1, WW2, the Korea War, the Vietnamese War, etc.

Christian nations have a history of being far more likely to be engaged in armed conflict than their Muslim counterparts!
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Someone has, apparently, brainwashed you?
Once the Islamic theocracies built up enough cash they jumped in whole hog at the slaughter of infidels.
 
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Zeke said:
Yea the Natives here made the same mistake with the euro crowd, the once majestic wilderness was tamed, exploited, a divided into fictional boundaries of ownership.
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If one is lucky one owns, for a time, the land beneath one's feet.
 
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Nazaroo said:
Its not a black and white situation,
but there is definitely a scale of goodness, as demarcated in the bible.

You can be good enough to escape judgement:
Just do your best and sincerely try to understand Jesus' teaching and follow Him.

What you are talking about (separation of good and evil) is happening automatically,
and will happen with greater extent and in a more extreme fashion soon,
just as Jesus predicted and the prophets wrote it would be.

Those who don't belong on Christian lands will return to the lands of their fathers.
The meek will inherit the earth, sans the violent and wicked.

Whether or not they are destroyed there will be in part determined
by their hearts, i.e., why they returned.

For instance, those who either return to the Middle East to join a war
against Israel, or those who simply turn away from the truth of Christ,
and go and join radical groups of violent men, will both be destroyed together,
as Jesus and the Bible foretold.

Clay and Iron will not mix, and the sheep and goats will be separated
by the LORD Himself.

We don't need to do the separating.

A large part of this false hyper-Protestant dogma is based on
an exaggerating and taking out of context Pauline thought.

For instance, when Paul describes his former self in Romans,
unable to control his own desires, he is talking about the natural unsaved man,
not about born-again Christians who are given power to overcome sin,
and become free of the bondage of sin.

Also, I take issue with your final semi-rhetorical question,
which actually makes no sense in the experience of a regenerated Christian.

On the one hand, if I have a cancer, or darkened part of my body,
I will willingly have it removed or have God make it disappear,
and I will not miss it.

As Jesus wrote, it is better to enter into life (the Kingdom of God)
with one hand than be cast into the Lake of Fire with both hands.

The Christian should have the same heart and mind as Jesus Christ.

"If you are willing Lord, you can make me clean (remove cancer),
and make me whole (replace missing or crippled limbs), (Luke 5:2, Mk 1:40, Matt 8:2)
and make me see (cure a lifetime of blindness)." (John 9, Mk 8:22, Lk 18:35)

Your final sentiment is incompatible with Christianity.

Your rhetorical question has an answer opposite to your premise.
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Jesus counseled and challenged us to love our enemies.
He either said it or he didn't. We cannot have it both ways.
 
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Muhammad forbade pre-emptive war, all forms of terrorism, violently revolting against a government no matter how unjust, and even went to the extent of forbidding civil disobedience lest it lead to violence.

Muslims were brutally persecuted in Mecca from 610-620 and Muhammad forbade any violent or incendiary response to the governing authorities. He said there were three options:

--remain and bear the persecution,
--try to change laws through peaceful argumentation,
--or leave.

Many Muslims left, some to Abyssinia where they sought and received refuge under the righteous Christian King Neghus. Others left to Medina, where they forged a peaceful alliance with the Jews and soon established a unified secular state governed by the Charter of Medina.

Fighting was then only permitted in self-defense once Muslims were pursued and attacked, just as the Qur'an 22:40 allows: "Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged -- and Allah indeed has power to help them."

Once in defensive war, the Qur'an only permits killing active combatants.
 
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aikido7 said:
Muhammad forbade pre-emptive war, all forms of terrorism, violently revolting against a government no matter how unjust, and even went to the extent of forbidding civil disobedience lest it lead to violence.

Muslims were brutally persecuted in Mecca from 610-620 and Muhammad forbade any violent or incendiary response to the governing authorities. He said there were three options:

--remain and bear the persecution,
--try to change laws through peaceful argumentation,
--or leave.

Many Muslims left, some to Abyssinia where they sought and received refuge under the righteous Christian King Neghus. Others left to Medina, where they forged a peaceful alliance with the Jews and soon established a unified secular state governed by the Charter of Medina.

Fighting was then only permitted in self-defense once Muslims were pursued and attacked, just as the Qur'an 22:40 allows: "Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged -- and Allah indeed has power to help them."

Once in defensive war, the Qur'an only permits killing active combatants.
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These pleasant fantasies about Islam cannot be accepted,
even when many Muslims also claim Islam to be a peaceful religion.

The reasons are the same as why we cannot accept that Nazism
is as 'peaceful' as Catholicism, even though the majority of Germans were
actually Catholics at the time of the Nazi Empire.

Neither was Stalinism as 'peaceful' as Communisim would supposedly be in theory,
even as the communists and socialist theorists simply claim that the Soviet Union
isn't "real" communism. The fact that some form of peaceful 'communism' is
actually practised on a few Jewish Kibbutzes or Christian communes is irrelevant
to the fact that 'Communism' in every large-scale manifestation has been the cause
of the slaughter of millions of innocents.

Likewise, the Chinese Revolution, although in the name of 'Communism' did not
produce any kind of peaceful 'communism' in the sense wished for by theorists.
Instead they invaded Mongolia and destroyed Tibet for no rational reason.

Similarly,
all ideological conflicts are never resolved peacefully by their peaceful proponents on any side.

What really happens is that military force is and must be met with
opposing military forces, to stop bloodshed and slaughter from being even worse.

It simply defies what we are seeing in every Muslim country today, to claim that
Islam can somehow create peace, freedom and democratic privileges.

Even allowing that many conflicts are sparked, encouraged, and even forced to start
by foreign manipulators and non-religious interests, the result is the same.

Islam is incapable of creating a peaceful, tolerant society by itself,
because it lacks the deeper spiritual principles and power that belong to true religion.
Islam can never be more than a paramilitary cult, because its creators and founders
never had a real Spiritual Vision based on just God such as Judaism,
or a Loving God such as Christianity.

Without those deeper insights and commitments, there is no hope that any cult
could create a reasonable, peaceful and successful society that could live in harmony
with other nations and cultures, religions and philosophies already in existence.

The Beast - Islam connection
 
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jgarden said:
Christian nations have a history of being far more likely to be engaged in armed conflict than their Muslim counterparts!
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More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.
 
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Nick M said:
More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.
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And in the news today the Taliban opened fire in a school in Pakistan killing over 100 people, mostly children.
They are among the most depraved people in all of history.
 
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Back in 2013, the EDL (English Defence League) was formed as a backlash to
the high crime rates by Muslims in England and the radical changes in British society,
due to mass immigration of Muslims (now a few million) into Britain.

The founder of the EDL has backed out of his own extreme public stand,
however, its not clear that this is any 'change of heart' so much as a more
realistic understanding of the complexity of the problem, and the issue of
what tactics are going to be successful in relieving criminal problems
and changing immigration laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEYKgKOv7-c

EDL Muslim Dialogues 2013
 
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Muslims Acknowledging the Koran as a source of Terrorism
and admitting that Muslim Teachers inspire Radical Extremist Islam.

Mehdi Hassan: Radical Islam


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tNRtyYFf24

Keep this in mind however:

This is a Canadian Lesbian pretending to be a muslim. But she is 90% Canadian LGBT Liberal privileged degreed elitist spokesperson and 10% fake Deist. This idiot represents everything that is wrong with Canada, and has signed on with the betraying jerk rulers of Canada who sold out our post-Christian country for bribes, threw open the immigration gates for liberal votes, but mostly to destroy the Christian West. She can't even back up her real lesbian LGBT 'sister' muslims who are being battered and are finding that everything she has said about 'peaceful self-determined Islam' is false.

This fantasy-land in which elitist liberals pose as the persecuted suppressed people they are pretending to help while selling popular books is a vomit-inducing crime.

Next week she'll tell us she's half-Native, and show us how Native lesbians can guide Native tradition and religion to save the 1,200 murdered and missing Natives in Western Canada, how they can live without 'outdated' treaties that the government failed to honour, and be 'independent' in their 3rd-world Northern communities with no clean water, schools, hospitals, or transportation. 
 
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As pointed out in another unrelated thread, there is another missing muslim airliner. Coincidence?
 
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Violent Muslims are not that much different from conservative Heaven/Hell Christians.

Both preach an example of "Shari'a Law" or "Religious Dominion Theology.

Both are characterized by elitism, bigotry, hypocrisy and patriarchy.

And both are being marginalized in a global culture that emphasizes dignity, human rights, peace and collaborative conflict resolution.

And because they both see themselves as victims of secularization and liberalism, they both lash out blindly with both words and violence.
 
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