The Truth About Melchizedek

Caino · Sep 5, 2015

Melchizedek was an incarnate celestial being, a priest of Salem who established a monotheistic community as the forerunner of Christ.

Interplanner · Sep 5, 2015

He was Christ.

daqq · Sep 5, 2015

RevTestament said:
Just fyi, Moses was also a high priest, and no one is going to get away with saying he was Jesus - a type of Jesus in many ways, but not Jesus.

jamie said:
Only the high priest went behind the veil on Yom Kippur and there was only one high priest.

Ahron is nowhere called High Priest, (neither Kohen Gadol nor more properly haKohen haGadol). However Ahron the Priest did go behind the veil and the writer of Hebrews admonishes his readers likewise to do the same in the new supernal way through Messiah, now that he has opened up the way before us, (Hebrews 10:19-22) for Messiah has after all made us a kingdom of priests unto his God and our God. But to enter one will need to become wood of the olive tree kind, and one will need to buy gold having been tried in the fire, (from the Master, as he says in Revelation 3:18) for the Cherubim are olive wood and overlain with hammered pure gold tried in the fire. Psalm 99 states that Moshe is indeed a Kohen: if therefore he also is a Priest then who is of the higher order between Moshe or Ahron?

Psalm 99:6 KJV
6. Moses and Aaron among his priests, and Samuel among them that call upon his name; they called upon the Lord, and he answered them.

And who stood between the Father and the people at Mount Sinai as Priest between God and man? Such is the duty of the office of the one who is High Priest, that is, to "stand in gap" between God and man. This was Moshe:

Deuteronomy 5:1-6 KJV
1. And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2. The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3. The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4. The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
5. ( I stood between the Lord and you at that time, to shew you the word of the Lord: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount; ) saying,

And who anointed the Mishkan-Tabernacle with all its vessels, and the altar with all its vessels, and Ahron and his sons in their garments? This was Moshe, the man of Elohim, High Priest after the order of the Melki-Tzedek-Elohim priesthood. The line probably begins at Enosh, for it was in his days that men began to herald-preach-cry out in the Name of the Most High, (Genesis 4:26, and likewise Noach is the eighth herald or preacher of righteousness, 2 Peter 2:5).

Wick Stick · Sep 5, 2015

Ben Masada said:
The Truth About Melchizedek
Now, let us check Psalm 110:4, which in the KJV says, "The Lord has sworn and will not repent, you are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This is a Christian gloss plagiarized by Paul and grossly forged by the Church in the 4th Century under the excuse of pious forgery.

Here is what Psalm 110:4 says in the originals in Hebrew: "The Lord has sworn and will not relent, you are a priest forever; a rightful king by My decree." As you can see, it has nothing to do with king Melchizedek, king of Salem, but rather to David in the type level of interpretation, which points to the archetype level of Israel, the seed of Abraham as a nation of priests and kings. (Exod. 19:6; Isa. 61:6) Obviously, only the High Priest of the Most High would produce a generation of priests and kings through Israel.

This can be disproved.

The site linked below contains images from the Dead Sea scrolls, manuscript 11Q13. The pictured manuscript is a Pesher on Psalms 110:4. This is provided online in partnership with the Israeli Antiquities Authority. According to the site:

This is a collection of “pesher” commentaries on verses from the Hebrew Bible. It focuses on Melchizedek, an enigmatic figure who is mentioned only twice in the Hebrew Bible: in Genesis 14:18–20 and in Psalm 110:4. Whereas the Bible describes him as a priest and a king, this text portrays him as a heavenly savior figure who will rescue the righteous at the final judgment.

The Dead Sea scrolls are dated from the 3rd century BCE to the 1st century CE, and are thought to be written by Essene Jews. This is published by a Jewish source; not a Christian one.

Do you see the problem?

"Melichizedek" in Psalms 110 cannot possibly be a 4th century Christian gloss, if 1st century Jews were already discussing Melichizedek in relation to this verse.

http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/explore-the-archive/manuscript/11Q13-1?locale=en_US

Jarrod

jamie · Sep 5, 2015

daqq said:
Psalm 99 states that Moshe is indeed a Kohen: if therefore he also is a Priest then who is of the higher order between Moshe or Ahron?

Moses was a priest of the order of Aaron his brother.

Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law) what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
(Hebrews 7:11 NKJV)

Wick Stick · Sep 5, 2015

Ben Masada said:
The whole motif about Melchizedek originated in the proverb "After the Order of Melchizedek." If you read Psalm 110:4, the Lord has sworn and will not repent; you are a priest forever "After the order of Melchizedek." David was not from the Tribe of Levi wherefrom priests were made after the Order of Aaron. Since the Lord had sworn to make of David a priest forever, a proverb had been formed because he could not be after the order of Aaron. Hence, after the order of Melchizedek but only to distinguish his priesthood from the Order of Aaron. Hence, after the order of Melchizedek. Absolutely nothing to do with the pagan priest of the Canaanites who just happened to be called Melchizedek.

Why King David would be a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek if he died? Because he was only the type pointing to the archetype in his People of Judah that would be to the Lord a kingdom of priests and a Holy nation. (Exod. 19:6) So, what the Lord really sworn was that in David, his Tribe of Judah would be a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. David died alright but Judah has remained as a People before the Lord forever. (Jer. 31:36)

Bottom line is that, "After the Order of Melchizedek" was only a proverb to distinguish from after the order of Aaron which
was what the Tribe of David could not be.

My understanding is that King David accorded himself priestly privileges. He is recorded as eating the shewbread, entering the Holy place, and interceding on behalf of the nation at various points.

This is common-sensical... a king is a representative of his city or tribe, so he ought to be able to negotiate or intercede on their behalf.

The "order of Melchizedek" then is an order of priesthood outside the order of Aaron (as you also said) which is recognized as legitimate.

The sole requirement to be part of the order of Melchizedek is that one is the king of Jerusalem.

The New Testament (Hebrews) uses this as an argument for Jesus' legitimacy as a priest.

Jarrod

daqq · Sep 5, 2015

jamie said:
Moses was a priest of the order of Aaron his brother.
Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law) what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
(Hebrews 7:11 NKJV)

Not so and this is why Yhoshua is placed BEFORE Eleazar and the people:

Numbers 27:18-23 KJV
18. And the Lord said unto Moses, Take thee Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit, and lay thine hand upon him;
19. And set him before Eleazar the priest, and before all the congregation; and give him a charge in their sight.
20. And thou shalt put some of thine honour upon him, that all the congregation of the children of Israel may be obedient.
21. And he shall stand before Eleazar the priest, who shall ask counsel for him after the judgment of Urim before the Lord: at his word shall they go out, and at his word they shall come in, both he, and all the children of Israel with him, even all the congregation.
22. And Moses did as the Lord commanded him: and he took Joshua, and set him before Eleazar the priest, and before all the congregation:
23. And he laid his hands upon him, and gave him a charge, as the Lord commanded by the hand of Moses.

Also YHWH gave Yhoshua the charge:

Deuteronomy 31:14-15 KJV
14. And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou must die: call Joshua, and present yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses And Joshua went, and presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.
15. And the Lord appeared in the tabernacle in a pillar of a cloud: and the pillar of the cloud stood over the door of the tabernacle.

And Yhoshua the son of Perpetuity was full of the Spirit of Wisdom:

Deuteronomy 34:8-9 KJV
8. And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.
9. And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the Lord commanded Moses.

And therefore it is Yhoshua bin Nun whom YHWH commands concerning the setting up of the sanctuary cities and the release at the death of the High Priest, for the next Kohen Gadol after Moshe was Yhoshua whom Moshe had laid his hands upon and given the charge, setting him BEFORE Eleazar and the congregation:

Joshua 20:1-2, 6 KJV
1. The Lord also spake unto Joshua, saying,
2. Speak to the children of Israel, saying, Appoint out for you cities of refuge, whereof I spake unto you by the hand of Moses:
6. And he shall dwell in that city, until he stand before the congregation for judgment, and until the death of the high priest that shall be in those days: then shall the slayer return, and come unto his own city, and unto his own house, unto the city from whence he fled.

And therefore this Yhoshua is NOT Jeshua though he also was a Kohen Gadol:

Zechariah 3:1-2 KJV
1. And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2. And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

The above vision concerns the event recorded in Joshua 5:13-15

Joshua 5:15-13 KJV
13. And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14. And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord [Sar tsaba YHWH, Daniel 8:11] am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
15. And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

Miykael rebukes the Satan concerning "the Body of Moshe", according to the Jude passage quoted below, which is not the physical body of Moshe but the TaNaK Body of all the faithful until the advent of Messiah and the transition into "the Body of Messiah" in the Brit Chadashah writings:

Jude 1:9 KJV
9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

The quote from Jude 1:9 is from Zkaryah 3:2 above and concerns not the physical body of Moshe, as most assume, but rather concerns all of the "body of Moshe" throughout all of the Tanach time period until the advent of Messiah, which Tanach body was known as the body of Moshe, (and not the "body of Ahron" because Moshe is of the greater order of Priesthood and therefore Yhoshua also is the second Kohen Gadol even though he was of Ephraim). It is a hidden priesthood. Moshe is the first Kohen Gadol after the order of Melki-Tzedek to hold office under the giving of the Torah, he is the greater even though he is the younger of he and Ahron because he is Priest after the order of Melki-Tzedek. This is likewise revealed in the fact that Moshe married into the line through Yithrow Raguel by his daughter Tsipporah, (one of "seven little birdies" [of the clean kind]

).

Body of Moshe ~ TaNaK Body of the Saints
Body of Messiah ~ Brit Chadashah Body of the Saints

RevTestament · Sep 6, 2015

daqq said:
Ahron is nowhere called High Priest, (neither Kohen Gadol nor more properly haKohen haGadol). However Ahron the Priest did go behind the veil and the writer of Hebrews admonishes his readers likewise to do the same in the new supernal way through Messiah, now that he has opened up the way before us, (Hebrews 10:19-22) for Messiah has after all made us a kingdom of priests unto his God and our God.

Hebrews 5: 1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.

3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.

4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

RevTestament · Sep 6, 2015

daqq said:
Not so and this is why Yhoshua is placed BEFORE Eleazar and the people:

Numbers 27:18-23 KJV
18. And the Lord said unto Moses, Take thee Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit, and lay thine hand upon him;
19. And set him before Eleazar the priest, and before all the congregation; and give him a charge in their sight.
20. And thou shalt put some of thine honour upon him, that all the congregation of the children of Israel may be obedient.
21. And he shall stand before Eleazar the priest, who shall ask counsel for him after the judgment of Urim before the Lord: at his word shall they go out, and at his word they shall come in, both he, and all the children of Israel with him, even all the congregation.
22. And Moses did as the Lord commanded him: and he took Joshua, and set him before Eleazar the priest, and before all the congregation:
23. And he laid his hands upon him, and gave him a charge, as the Lord commanded by the hand of Moses.

Also YHWH gave Yhoshua the charge:

Deuteronomy 31:14-15 KJV
14. And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou must die: call Joshua, and present yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses And Joshua went, and presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.
15. And the Lord appeared in the tabernacle in a pillar of a cloud: and the pillar of the cloud stood over the door of the tabernacle.

And Yhoshua the son of Perpetuity was full of the Spirit of Wisdom:

Deuteronomy 34:8-9 KJV
8. And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.
9. And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the Lord commanded Moses.

And therefore it is Yhoshua bin Nun whom YHWH commands concerning the setting up of the sanctuary cities and the release at the death of the High Priest, for the next Kohen Gadol after Moshe was Yhoshua whom Moshe had laid his hands upon and given the charge, setting him BEFORE Eleazar and the congregation:

Joshua 20:1-2, 6 KJV
1. The Lord also spake unto Joshua, saying,
2. Speak to the children of Israel, saying, Appoint out for you cities of refuge, whereof I spake unto you by the hand of Moses:
6. And he shall dwell in that city, until he stand before the congregation for judgment, and until the death of the high priest that shall be in those days: then shall the slayer return, and come unto his own city, and unto his own house, unto the city from whence he fled.

And therefore this Yhoshua is NOT Jeshua though he also was a Kohen Gadol:

Zechariah 3:1-2 KJV
1. And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2. And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

The above vision concerns the event recorded in Joshua 5:13-15

Joshua 5:15-13 KJV
13. And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14. And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord [Sar tsaba YHWH, Daniel 8:11] am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
15. And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

Miykael rebukes the Satan concerning "the Body of Moshe", according to the Jude passage quoted below, which is not the physical body of Moshe but the TaNaK Body of all the faithful until the advent of Messiah and the transition into "the Body of Messiah" in the Brit Chadashah writings:

Jude 1:9 KJV
9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

The quote from Jude 1:9 is from Zkaryah 3:2 above and concerns not the physical body of Moshe, as most assume, but rather concerns all of the "body of Moshe" throughout all of the Tanach time period until the advent of Messiah, which Tanach body was known as the body of Moshe, (and not the "body of Ahron" because Moshe is of the greater order of Priesthood and therefore Yhoshua also is the second Kohen Gadol even though he was of Ephraim). It is a hidden priesthood. Moshe is the first Kohen Gadol after the order of Melki-Tzedek to hold office under the giving of the Torah, he is the greater even though he is the younger of he and Ahron because he is Priest after the order of Melki-Tzedek. This is likewise revealed in the fact that Moshe married into the line through Yithrow Raguel by his daughter Tsipporah, (one of "seven little birdies" [of the clean kind] ).

Body of Moshe ~ TaNaK Body of the Saints
Body of Messiah ~ Brit Chadashah Body of the Saints

Moshe is not the first after the order of Melke-Tzedek though. He received it from Jethro. Do you agree?

daqq · Sep 6, 2015

RevTestament said:
Moshe is not the first after the order of Melke-Tzedek though. He received it from Jethro. Do you agree?

Yes, by way of marriage to Tsipporah, (a clean bird) one of the seven daughters of Yithrow Raguel, ("His Excellency" Raguel). Yithrow or Jethro is probably is not a name but rather a title, "His Excellency", Raguel. Moshe is the first to hold the office under the giving of Torah, (and the Torah was given through the instrumentality of the holy Angels). Yithrow Raguel was a Priest before the Torah was given at Mount Sinai.

Grosnick Marowbe · Sep 6, 2015

Daqq are you Jewish, Christian, of otherwise? What belief
do you represent?

daqq · Sep 6, 2015

Wick Stick said:
This can be disproved.

The site linked below contains images from the Dead Sea scrolls, manuscript 11Q13. The pictured manuscript is a Pesher on Psalms 110:4. This is provided online in partnership with the Israeli Antiquities Authority. According to the site:

The Dead Sea scrolls are dated from the 3rd century BCE to the 1st century CE, and are thought to be written by Essene Jews. This is published by a Jewish source; not a Christian one.

Do you see the problem?

"Melichizedek" in Psalms 110 cannot possibly be a 4th century Christian gloss, if 1st century Jews were already discussing Melichizedek in relation to this verse.

http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/explore-the-archive/manuscript/11Q13-1?locale=en_US

Jarrod

:thumb: Thanks for posting this.

RevTestament · Sep 6, 2015

daqq said:
Yes, by way of marriage to Tsipporah, (a clean bird) one of the seven daughters of Yithrow Raguel, ("His Excellency" Raguel). Yithrow or Jethro is probably is not a name but rather a title, "His Excellency", Raguel. Moshe is the first to hold the office under the giving of Torah, (and the Torah was given through the instrumentality of the holy Angels). Yithrow Raguel was a Priest before the Torah was given at Mount Sinai.

Jethro had at least two titles. Kayaker and I actually went over this very subject. It appears at least one was inherited. He probably wasn't Midianite at all, but held a title inferring lordship of the Midianites through Gideon.

Ben Masada · Sep 7, 2015