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Jesus is God. So why do you have such a hard time accepting that Christ means the same as God and LORD?

I gave you scriptures that prove Christ, LORD, and God were used interchangeably.

Address those scriptures.
Address simple LOGIC (which you have NO CLUE about).

That the LORD Jesus is BOTH GOD and CHRIST does NOT make these terms identical.

I am both a SON and a FATHER.... that does NOT MAKE SON AND FATHER MEAN THE SAME THING.

Your stupidity is immense.
 

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Address simple LOGIC (which you have NO CLUE about).

That the LORD Jesus is BOTH GOD and CHRIST does NOT make these terms identical.

I am both a SON and a FATHER.... that does NOT MAKE SON AND FATHER MEAN THE SAME THING.

Your stupidity is immense.

AGAIN, I gave you scriptures that used the words Christ, LORD, and God INTERCHANGEABLY.
 

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Jesus is God. So why do you have such a hard time accepting that Christ means the same as God and LORD?

Because it does not mean that. That's a fact. You don't get to redefine words to fit your theology.

I gave you scriptures that prove Christ, LORD, and God were used interchangeably.

Address those scriptures.

GT and God's Truth can be used to refer to a person on Theology online, but that doesn't mean that GT OR God's Truth mean "poster on Theology online." It's just who they are.

The DEFINITION of a word is not what the word IS, it's what the word MEANS.

We are saying that while Christ can be used interchangeably with God and LORD, because they are one, it DOES NOT MEAN that Christ means LORD. "CHRIST" means "ANOINTED."
 

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Don't put this onto me. You were the one who wanted more praise....that was clear from your words, and it's clear from what you just said in the yellow above.

As far as his testimony goes, I see he is a seeker, and will go no further.

I didn't pick apart or mock him for his testimony, as you falsely claim. :nono:

I will pick apart anyone's distortion of what the Scripture says, and will continue to do so....with him or with you...wherever I see distortion and twisting.

I wanted him to know his sharing his testimony was appreciated by someone, and not just not attacked.

You even after reading his testimony of when Jesus saved him said that he was not saved and didn't know God. You really think that much of yourself that you could really talk him out of it, YOU? UNBELIEVABLE.
 

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Because it does not mean that. That's a fact. You don't get to redefine words to fit your theology.



GT and God's Truth can be used to refer to a person on Theology online, but that doesn't mean that GT OR God's Truth mean "poster on Theology online." It's just who they are.

The DEFINITION of a word is not what the word IS, it's what the word MEANS.

We are saying that while Christ can be used interchangeably with God and LORD, because they are one, it DOES NOT MEAN that Christ means LORD. "CHRIST" means "ANOINTED."

You really are reaching aren't you. You are wrong. The words Christ, LORD, and God were used interchangeably because they are the same and about the same one and only God.
 

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Death is the physical body dying and the spirit going to hell/prison, or paradise.

So then why did Paul say that He died?

I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. - Romans 7:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans7:9&version=NKJV

He certainly didn't die physically, or else he wouldn't have been writing Romans.

That is right and how do you ever get that it means Jesus was without the Father? How do you ever get that Jesus died Spiritually?

Do you not keep in memory what you yourself just said?

Sin separates us from God.

If sin separates us from God, don't you think that if Jesus BECAME sin, He would be separated from God?

How do you get Jesus sacrificing himself would separate him from the Father?

That's not what I said. I said that Jesus becoming sin would separate Him from His Father.

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Isaiah 53:7 says, "He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth."

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

All of those support my point, that Jesus became sin and was therefore separated from the Father.

God forsaking him is about God not stopping his suffering and death.

Please explain how you get that from that verse.

If Christ went willingly (and He did), He wouldn't have complained about God not stopping His suffering and death. That would be pointless. Yet you're trying to show that He complained while on the cross because of His suffering and death.

Jesus never complained about something He had to do, especially something He wanted to do.
 
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You really are reaching aren't you. You are wrong. The words Christ, LORD, and God were used interchangeably because they are the same and about the same one and only God.
That's NOT THE POINT, GT!

We're not talking about the different names of God and how they can be used interchangeably, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEFINITIONS OF THOSE NAMES!

HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE!
 

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Jesus is God. So why do you have such a hard time accepting that Christ means the same as God and LORD?

I gave you scriptures that prove Christ, LORD, and God were used interchangeably.

Address those scriptures.

Let's see. King David was anointed. King Saul was anointed. The Temple priests were anointed.

Prophets, Kings, and Priests are anointed.

1 Kings 19:16
And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abelmeholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.​


The MAN, Jesus of Nazareth, was the ANOINTED ONE (Messiah) spoken of in the OT. He was the "Chosen ONE". Of course you will read about Him in the OT. The work of the ANOINTED ONE/MESSIAH/CHRIST is speaking of Jesus' humanity here on earth. Jesus didn't require an anointing in His Deity.

Why are you denying the humanity of the Lord Jesus Christ? And, don't deny it. That's exactly what you are doing in the statement above.
 

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So then why did Paul say



Do you not keep in memory what you yourself just said?



If sin separates us from God, don't you think that if Jesus BECAME sin, He would be separated from God?



That's not what I said. I said that Jesus becoming sin would separate Him from His Father.



All of those support my point, that Jesus became sin and was therefore separated from the Father.



Please explain how you get that from that verse.

If Christ went willingly (and He did), He wouldn't have complained about God not stopping His suffering and death. That would be pointless. Yet you're trying to show that He complained while on the cross because of His suffering and death.

Jesus never complained about something He had to do, especially something He wanted to do.

You really are all mixed up.

I gave you scripture from the old testament that proves Jesus suffering and dying on the cross is about being forsaken and not saved from it. Jesus was fulfilling the scriptures when he said that.

Do you or not believe Jesus was God when he walked the earth? Yes? So then how do you ever get that God could separate Himself from himself?

Jesus is the Lord and the Spirit. Jesus went to prison/hell and preached the gospel there. Don't you believe the scriptures that say that? Jesus also raised himself. Don't you believe that?
 

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You really are all mixed up.

I gave you scripture from the old testament that proves Jesus suffering and dying on the cross is about being forsaken and not saved from it. Jesus was fulfilling the scriptures when he said that.

Do you or not believe Jesus was God when he walked the earth? Yes? So then how do you ever get that God could separate Himself from himself?

Jesus is the Lord and the Spirit. Jesus went to prison/hell and preached the gospel there. Don't you believe the scriptures that say that? Jesus also raised himself. Don't you believe that?
I finished my post. Please reread it.
 

glorydaz

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You really are all mixed up.

I gave you scripture from the old testament that proves Jesus suffering and dying on the cross is about being forsaken and not saved from it. Jesus was fulfilling the scriptures when he said that.

Do you or not believe Jesus was God when he walked the earth? Yes? So then how do you ever get that God could separate Himself from himself?

Jesus is the Lord and the Spirit. Jesus went to prison/hell and preached the gospel there. Don't you believe the scriptures that say that? Jesus also raised himself. Don't you believe that?

There you go....denying the humanity of the Lord Jesus Christ. :think:
 

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That's NOT THE POINT, GT!

We're not talking about the different names of God and how they can be used interchangeably, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEFINITIONS OF THOSE NAMES!

HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE!

If a person can use a name interchangeably then it is the same. They are synonymous.
 

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If a person can use a name interchangeably then it is the same. They are synonymous.

Synonyms != Definitions

Synonym: "a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close."

Definition: "a statement of the exact meaning of a word, especially in a dictionary."

The DEFINITION of CHRIST is ANOINTED.

You're trying to change the DEFINITION to "LORD, God, etc." You don't get to change the definition of a word just because you want it to fit your theology.
 
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