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The Bible says that God created us. You pervert scriptures to try to make it mean what you want it to mean.
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God's Truth
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The scripture says one Father and that He is God. The scripture is speaking about the FATHER creating us. Where do you get that is perverted?
Right Divider
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The Father is NOT the Son. But they are both God (as is the HS).
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The Bible says that God created us and NOT JUST the Father. All three persons are God.
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So since Jesus created us that makes him a Father, according to what you said earlier, but now you are trying to get out of it.
God's Truth
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You said Jesus created us. The scripture says God the Father created us. Even you say a person who has children is a father. So then, Jesus is God the Father.
Right Divider
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No, it does not.
Right Divider
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Your head must be spinning. You understand nothing. Your logic is FALLACIOUS continually.
You do not understand that for God to be an ETERNAL FATHER, He needs to have an ETERNAL SON.
BEFORE creation, who was God's Son?
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Jesus is the One speaking in the Old Testament.
Jesus is the One who created us.
The Lord is called the Father in the Old Testament.
So why do you get upset when I say Jesus is God the Father?
God's Truth
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We are talking about the scriptures.
Why are you trying to stop talking about the creation calling God 'Father'?
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Isaiah 29:23
But when he sees his children, the work of My hands, in his midst, They will sanctify My name; Indeed, they will sanctify the Holy One of Jacob And will stand in awe of the God of Israel.
Right Divider
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Because it's not what the Bible teaches. He is God the Son. He has always been the Son. God is not playing dress-up and talking Father-to-Father, as your perverted modalism suggests.
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Jesus created us and that makes him a Father.
You even said so yourself, but then you realized you were caught.
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Is that Jesus speaking or not?
God's Truth
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Is that Jesus speaking in the Old Testament or not?
If that is Jesus speaking, and I believe it is, then why is he calling himself a Father but you say he is not?
If that is Jesus speaking, and I believe it is, then why is he calling himself a Father but you say he is not?
Rosenritter
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Can you please show me where you see the Lord called "the Father" in the Old Testament, besides Isaiah 9:6 which is of the Christ?
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Don't you believe that Jesus is the I Am of the Old Testament?
Rosenritter
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Can you please clarify then, which of these two items you dispute??
a) Jesus is the Son of God.
b) The book of Hebrews is inspired scripture.
Hebrews 1:1-4 KJV
(1) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
(2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
(3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(4) Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
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God's Truth
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Right Divider, Stay focused, and do not think our discussion will disappear.
I want to keep speaking more about this with you.
I want to keep speaking more about this with you.
Rosenritter
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That is not the same as being called "the Father." "I AM" is the name of God as first revealed to Abraham and also introduced to Moses, also claimed by Jesus in the Gospels.
Can you please show me where the Lord (that is, God) is called "The Father" in the Old Testament?