At least you are right here. It is the doctrine, the accepted doctrine of the orthodox Christian Church.
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At least you are right here. It is the doctrine, the accepted doctrine of the orthodox Christian Church.
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Do you want some religion's truth, or God's Truth?
I'll take what you do not have. The truth of scripture.
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There is no other way to believe since I have proved with scripture that they are interchangeable.
Do you think the Bible contradicts itself when it says the Savior is the Father, and then it says Jesus is?
Do you think the Bible contradicts itself when it says the Father circumcises our hearts, and then says Jesus does, and then says the Holy Spirit does?
That is your error. They are not interchangeable thus the distinction between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Really, how do you miss the simplicity of the Gospel.
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I believed in Jesus my whole life and did not get saved until I obeyed him.
Obeying Jesus is how we get the truth.
We do not get the truth revealed by merely reading and studying or having someone else teach us.
Jesus saves us and he saves those who obey.
He saves those who believe!
John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Where in the verse do you see anything about obedience? He saves those who believe in Him.
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Those who believe WHAT about him?!
Those who believe in Him and repent of their sins, who accept him as Lord and Savior.
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Romans 10:9-13 King James Version (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Amen!
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Raised from the dead to do what?
Those who confess with their mouth, "Lord, Lord", they had better being obeying!
Luke 6:46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
He was raised up for many reasons.
1 Corinthians 6:14
Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power.
2 Corinthians 4:14
knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and will present us with you.
Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Acts 3:15
but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses.
1 Peter 1:21
who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
Acts 3:26
"For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways."
Romans 6:4
Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.
Acts 17:31
because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead."
Romans 8:34
who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
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That is right, Jesus was raised.
Right, that is about being eternally with God.
That is about the resurrection of our bodies.
The question to you is raised to do what? That scripture does not show exactly what.
That is right, Jesus was raised.
Did you read that? That scripture says Jesus was raised up and sent to TURN US FROM OUR WICKED WAYS. That scripture proves we have to repent of our sins, ALL people.
That scripture proves too that we have to OBEY and stop sinning.
That is right; the SAVED who REPENTED of their sins will be rescued from the wrath to come…that wrath to come is the unsaved (those who destroyed the earth with their SINS) being thrown in the lake of fire.
That scripture shows that we have to believe Jesus and do what he says, and what he says to us is to repent of our sins.
Jesus intercedes for those who repented of their sins.
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Those scriptures prove that we have to repent of our sins to be saved and to stay saved.
Glad to see that you agree for a change.
Do you have to believe in the Trinity to be saved?
Does the Bible say it? Nope.
It doesn't have to be. If you have a wrong interpretation of the nature of God, you are unsaved.
Which interpretation says you have to believe in the trinity to be saved? None.