ECT The rider upon a white horse.

[daqq]

The prophet says, “And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer” [Revelation 6:2]. “The symbol, a white horse, and the rider who bears a bow and to whom a crown is given, and who goes forth conquering and to conquer, is a fit emblem of the triumphs of the gospel in the first century of this dispensation. The whiteness of the horse denotes the purity of faith in that age; and the crown which was given to the rider, and his going forth conquering and to make still further conquests, the zeal and success with which the truth was promulgated by its earliest ministers.” [Daniel and the Revelation, Uriah Smith] The church militant went forth on an aggressive campaign against huge systems of error. “The rider upon this horse went forth where? His commission was unlimited.” [Ibid] In a single generation the gospel was sounded in all the inhabited parts of the globe.

Behold, a rider on a white horse went forth to sow:
And in his hand was a toxon-seedbow.

Teach the sons of Yhudah the use of the bow:
Behold, it is written in the Sefer Yashar, (Torah).
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[SaulToPaul 2]

Every single human being born into this world, is born obligated to the Old Covenant.

It is the universal failure of the human race to keep the OC Law, that brings condemnation & death to all.

Romans 5:12-21

Made up.

 

[Nang]

The old covenant was given to ancient Israel and sealed by the blood of oxen [see Exodus 24:8].

Agreed; however, there is a school of thought (which I believe) that the Old Covenant was first established between God and Adam, and then later reiterated through Moses in much more detail. The Decalogue was further explanation of the original commands given by God in the garden and this Old Covenant was ratified by the blood of the innocent animals slain by God to cover the shame and sin of A&E.

Which explains Romans 5:12. The Law of God has always been, that to live, one must believe God's word and turn away from evil. And there is only this ONE absolute moral standard revealed by God.

The Genesis commands are the same Law as the Ten Commandments.

The new covenant was given to Adam and ratified by the blood of Christ.

The New Covenant was first revealed to Satan and Eve in Genesis 3:15. I agree it was ratified by the blood shed by Jesus Christ on the cross.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Agreed; however, there is a school of thought (which I believe) that the Old Covenant was first established between God and Adam, and then later reiterated through Moses in much more detail. The Decalogue was further explanation of the original commands given by God in the garden and this Old Covenant was ratified by the blood of the innocent animals slain by God to cover the shame and sin of A&E.

Which explains Romans 5:12. The Law of God has always been, that to live, one must believe God's word and turn away from evil. And there is only this ONE absolute moral standard revealed by God.

The Genesis commands are the same Law as the Ten Commandments.



The New Covenant was first revealed to Satan and Eve in Genesis 3:15. I agree it was ratified by the blood shed by Jesus Christ on the cross.

Just awful.

 

[Rosenritter]

Adam could not have possibly been under the Old Covenant

Adam could not have possibly been under the Old Covenant

Every single human being born into this world, is born obligated to the Old Covenant.

It is the universal failure of the human race to keep the OC Law, that brings condemnation & death to all.

Romans 5:12-21

The Old Covenant included laws about clean and unclean meats. Adam was given the herbs of the field to eat, never the animals. Animals weren't introduced for food until Noah, and then God told Noah that he could eat any animal that moved.

1) Adam did not eat any animals

Gen 1:27-30 KJV
(27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
(28) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
(29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
(30) And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

2) Noah ate every animal, but was told to abstain from blood

Gen 9:1-4 KJV
(1) And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
(2) And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
(3) Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
(4) But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

3) Those under the Old Covenant ate certain animals but not other animals. Still not the blood.

Deu 14:2-4 KJV
(2) For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
(3) Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.
(4) These are the beasts which ye shall eat: the ox, the sheep, and the goat,

Therefore, there was certainly no Old Covenant from Adam until Noah. There is no reason to suspect the Old Covenant being introduced before the Bible specifically tells us so. Israel was given specific food laws so that they would be a peculiar people, these food laws were given for them and them alone.

 

[Danoh]

The Old Covenant included laws about clean and unclean meats. Adam was given the herbs of the field to eat, never the animals. Animals weren't introduced for food until Noah, and then God told Noah that he could eat any animal that moved. Scriptures upon request, but they aren't hard to find.

And this isn't difficult logic:

1) Adam did not eat any animals
2) Noah ate every animal
3) Those under the Old Covenant ate certain animals but not other animals.

Therefore, there was certainly no Old Covenant from Adam until Noah. There is no reason to suspect the Old Covenant being introduced before the Bible specifically tells us so.

Yep - and that is a large aspect of the actual sense of verse 2, in the following...

Romans 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

The Law instructed Israel in the things that differ between good and evil, as far as the God of Israel was concerned.

Thus, the need for the right division (the laying out aright) of The Scripture as, to those things that differ, and those that do not, is a practice found being emphasized throughout "All Scripture..." both many centuries before The Law, as well as many centuries after the Law.

As in the obvious distinction in the following, centuries before The Law was given...

Genesis 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Good post :thumb:

Sound Bible Study ever follows Sound Study Principles...consistently...applied.

Acts 17:11,12

 

[Rosenritter]

Yep - and that is a large aspect of the actual sense of verse 2, in the following...

Romans 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

The Law instructed Israel in the things that differ between good and evil, as far as the God of Israel was concerned.

Thus, the need for the right division (the laying out aright) of The Scripture as, to those things that differ, and those that do not, is a practice found being emphasized throughout "All Scripture..." both many centuries before The Law, as well as many centuries after the Law.

As in the obvious distinction in the following, centuries before The Law was given...

Genesis 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Good post :thumb:

Sound Bible Study ever follows Sound Study Principles...consistently...applied.

Acts 17:11,12

The Old Covenant law contained a lot of symbolism that is still helpful to understand today, but the objectives of keeping Israel separate and peculiar from other people is no more. Israel was grafted out, the Gentile was grafted in, there is no longer any distinction by race or culture. Abstain from idols and blood, the law of specific commandments is replaced by the superior law of love that is embodied in "Love God" and "Love thy neighbor" and further explained by "Love thy enemy" and "Love one another." Of the fruits of the holy spirit we are told, "Against these there is no law."

 

[Danoh]

The Old Covenant law contained a lot of symbolism that is still helpful to understand today, but the objectives of keeping Israel separate and peculiar from other people is no more. Israel was grafted out, the Gentile was grafted in, there is no longer any distinction by race or culture. Abstain from idols and blood, the law of specific commandments is replaced by the superior law of love that is embodied in "Love God" and "Love thy neighbor" and further explained by "Love thy enemy" and "Love one another." Of the fruits of the holy spirit we are told, "Against these there is no law."

Just goes to show the same old same old - that any two people can agree on one thing, and yet not on another.

And in both cases, each's perceived understanding is often the thing that differs.

Nevertheless, Rom. 5:8