beloved57
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You teach that sinners Christ died for wont be saved, denying the Saving Power of His Blood ! So you deny Hes the Saviour of the World !
The Real Problem With Religion
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You teach that sinners Christ died for wont be saved, denying the Saving Power of His Blood ! So you deny Hes the Saviour of the World !
There is only one way to be saved and it is not by Calvinism.
Nanja
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True! According to the scriptures there's only one way to be Saved!
Eph. 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Epoisses
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You teach that Christ didn't even die for sinners. You are anti-christ.
If he had read the Bible he would have learned that salvation is by faith alone, because it is by Christ alone. What he read was just a few scriptures that gave him the idea that he had been predestinated. He then scrapped all of the other scriptures and chose to believe in Calvinism.
fishrovmen
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The real problem with religion is your made up definitions of the word religion.
You keep coming up with your own definitions of words and expect your readers to know which definition you are using at any moment.
You keep coming up with your own definitions of words and expect your readers to know which definition you are using at any moment.
Religion: Man's preoccupation with his owns spirituality, which is himself.
The big problem with religion is that everyone is a sinner, Romans 3:10. God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners. God only accepts the works and the person of Jesus Christ. Religion is the broad way that leads to hell and many there be that go that way, Matthew 7:13,14.
Brother Ducky
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Ok, I'll bite---what is the reason?
And does it account for him being the savior of the world and not the savior of the world at the same time?
I recognise that sentence, because I wrote it.
Your biggest problem is that you don't believe the Bible. The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus is the savior of the whole world. As far as God is concerned, sin, death and the devil have been abolished and Jesus is Lord. 1 John 2:2, Colossians 2:15, Acts 2:36, Hebrews 1:3.
Nanja
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The Bible does not say that there is a world of cursed goats. The cursed goats are those that have rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, Romans 5:18.
"Even so by the righteousness of one (Christ) the FREE GIFT came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life"
If you reject the free gift of salvation you will perish as a goat.
Nanja
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God has from everlasting already determined those who would receive eternal life [Sheep John 10:11, 15: Vessels of His Mercy Rom. 9:23.
And those which he prepared to be destroyed Prov. 16:4; [goats, Mat. 25:41]: Vessels of His Wrath prepared for destruction Rom. 9:22.
That being said, a person's own works of the flesh in accepting or rejecting anything, plays no part in their salvation at all!
It's all God's Choosing: Not the choosing or works of the created thing Job 23:13; Dan. 4:35.
2 Tim. 1:8-9
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
The Bible clearly teaches that salvation is a free gift from God. There is no scripture that says that he imposes salvation on anyone. If he did that he would not be just. You have twisted the scriptures to say something that it does not say.
Nanja
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Your problem is that you aren't able to hear [comprehend, understand] the scriptures, which are God's Words, because you are not [born] of God John 8:43, 47.
The free gift of Salvation was reckoned, in the Mind of God, upon those whom He had Chosen In Union with Christ before the foundation to have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:4-7. So it has nothing to do with an imposition, or an offering to them to accept or reject, but was Given to His Election of Grace [Christ's Seed Is. 53:10] in their Surety and Saviour Heb. 7:22; Is. 53:6 before the World began 2 Tim. 1:9 based on the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant of Grace Rev. 13:8; Heb. 13:20.
John 17:1-2
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
These are the same "many" [Election of Grace] that the Gift of Eternal Life has abounded unto:
Rom. 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
God does not impose salvation, if he did that he would be unjust.
There is no scripture anywhere in the Bible that says that he does.
The fact that you believe that he does is what is going to cook your goose.
Nanja
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Pate, you are Lost, and blinded to the scriptures 2 Cor 4:3-4 by God's Design Job 23:13-14!
The free gift of Salvation was Given John 3:27 to all God's Elect Children Eph. 1:4-5, His Election of Grace Rom. 11:5.
What an unspeakable Blessing indeed He has given them according to the riches of His Grace Eph. 1:7!
2 Tim. 1:8-9
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
Praise the Lord for His Grace given to all His Elect in Christ: God's Adopted Children 2 Tim. 1:9!
Rom. 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
The terrible things that you believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ is what is going to cook your goose in the judgment.
Nanja
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Those are words of a spiritually dead man.
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again [anew; from above], he cannot see [know, be acquainted with, and experience ]the kingdom of God.